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<!--Generated by Squarespace Site Server v5.5.4 (http://www.squarespace.com/) on Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:31:57 GMT--><feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"><title>Movie News</title><subtitle>Movie News</subtitle><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/</id><link rel="alternate" type="application/xhtml+xml" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/"/><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/atom.xml"/><updated>2008-12-15T09:35:29Z</updated><generator uri="http://www.squarespace.com/" version="Squarespace Site Server v5.5.4 (http://www.squarespace.com/)">Squarespace</generator><entry><title>Director Scott Derrickson: From “Emily Rose” to “The Day the Earth Stood Still”</title><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/12/15/director-scott-derrickson-from-emily-rose-to-the-day-the-ear.html</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/12/15/director-scott-derrickson-from-emily-rose-to-the-day-the-ear.html"/><author><name>CN</name></author><published>2008-12-15T09:34:29Z</published><updated>2008-12-15T09:34:29Z</updated><content type="html" xml:lang="en-US"><![CDATA[<p><span class="full-image-float-right ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/121208Derrickson.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1229333719932" alt="" /></span></span>Director Scott Derrickson: From &ldquo;Emily Rose&rdquo; to &ldquo;The Day the Earth Stood Still&rdquo;<br /><br />Critically acclaimed director Scott Derrickson is one of the most vocal Christians working in Hollywood today. When his film The Exorcism of Emily Rose caught the eye of producer and manager Erwin Stoff, Derrickson was invited to direct the remake of the science fiction classic The Day the Earth Stood Still. <br /><br />During a worldwide press tour, we caught up with Scott in Hollywood and by phone to talk about the film, his faith, and the filmmakers who influenced him.<br /><br />The original film was very politically-minded, but yours is directed more toward ecological concerns.<br /><br />The original film has a grand reputation for the very strong political ideas that are in there. I think both the original film and this one are much more about human nature than even the social issues. They&rsquo;re about how our human nature has this propensity toward self-destruction, and whether or not we have the capacity to avoid that.<br /><br />As far as the political or social issues are concerned, in the original it was the Cold War. It was a perilous situation where we were possibly going to destroy ourselves through nuclear weapons. Now the peril that we&rsquo;re bringing on ourselves is the destruction of our environment. It&rsquo;s serious and it&rsquo;s real, and it&rsquo;s something that I thought made sense in terms of updating the story. At the same time, I didn&rsquo;t want to make too much of it, and there&rsquo;s not a lot said in the movie about it.<br /><br />It&rsquo;s certainly not trying to tell anybody what to do, because I don&rsquo;t like films particularly that do that. What I was intending was making a movie that&rsquo;s more of a picture about what&rsquo;s happening in the world right now, and we&rsquo;re good at making messes of things.<br /><br />You reworked the script with the original writer David Scarpa. How much time did you spend working on the script?<br /><br />Quite a lot of time. The script was written and then sent to me as a screenplay that 20th Century Fox wanted to make. I didn&rsquo;t write it and I didn&rsquo;t start on it. When I read it, I thought there was a lot in it that made me want to do the movie, but it still needed a ways to go. <br /><br />I worked with the writer for a few months right away, and then when Keanu [Reeves, playing the alien Klaatu] got involved, that was a more intensive time working together. It was myself and Keanu and the screenwriter locked in a room for quite a few weeks, all day every day, just going through the script scene by scene and trying to work out how the movie would function.<br /><br />The alien Klaatu actually learns as much from us as we learn from him. He learns about compassion.<br /><br />There&rsquo;s no question that&rsquo;s the story. It&rsquo;s one of the most interesting things about the movie to me. I love the idea that he comes to assess human nature. He takes human form, and it&rsquo;s through his experience of being human that he sees that there&rsquo;s more than just the obvious fact that we&rsquo;re destructive. He sees this other side that is profound and startling, and his own human of what he feels at seeing this mother and son is indescribable. It goes beyond his categories. So, essentially, he does become humanized. <br /><br />I heard Keanu say that Klaatu starts off more alien than human and ends more human than alien. I really like that part of the story; I think it&rsquo;s one of the very interesting aspects of the story.<br /><br />There&rsquo;s a wonderful scene with a character named Mr. Woo, and it&rsquo;s all about human nature.<br /><br />That&rsquo;s my favorite scene in the movie. It was my favorite scene in the script, and it&rsquo;s the scene that made me do the movie. When I read the script, I thought there was something so beautiful and just fantastic about two aliens speaking Mandarin in a New Jersey McDonald&rsquo;s about human nature and what it is, and how there are these two sides to it. I love it when Mr. Woo says, &ldquo;Here&rsquo;s what I can explain to you. They&rsquo;re destructive. They&rsquo;re bent toward the destruction of each other and themselves. That&rsquo;s a fact. But there&rsquo;s this other side,&rdquo; and he can&rsquo;t really describe it. He struggles. <br /><br />He says, &ldquo;What I can tell you is I&rsquo;ll die with them. They&rsquo;re that meaningful to me.&rdquo; He sort of puts the burden back on Keanu&rsquo;s character Klaatu and leaves it up to him to figure out what that means. It is my favorite scene in the film.<br /><br />I secretly believe that Mr. Woo is putting him on a course, and he&rsquo;s saying, &ldquo;if you&rsquo;re going to make a decision, you have to figure this out.&rdquo; He plants something in Klaatu, and the look on Keanu&rsquo;s face when Mr. Woo says there&rsquo;s another side to them that I can&rsquo;t explain to you, and human life is hard having lived it, I&rsquo;m so grateful I have that I&rsquo;m going to die here. Klaatu looks at him like he can&rsquo;t quite grasp what he told him.<br /><br />To me, that was the first crack in Klaatu&rsquo;s ice. And Barnhardt opens even more, then Helen and Jacob open it all the way, and he gets it. He realizes that they&rsquo;re just as important as the planet itself, and he can&rsquo;t choose one over the other.<br /><br />There&rsquo;s one scene where you have the cross on the tombstone almost half the size of the screen, then the kid&rsquo;s posture is almost like kneeling at the foot of the cross.<br /><br />That was very conscientious for me. I thought the Christ analogy of Klaatu is very strong, and I get asked that at every press conference I do. The DNA sample, the wound in the hand, which is a stigmata, where he walks on water, etc.<br /><br />I wanted to take on that aspect of the original because I love the fact that he makes a sacrificial death, and the final affirmation that he&rsquo;s leaving is the ascension. He&rsquo;s not dead, he&rsquo;s not gone. For me that Christ-story of Klaatu is so embedded in the story, it&rsquo;s inescapable. I tried to put things in there that I thought would be elegant enough for a modern audience to appreciate and enjoy. For the record, every press conference I&rsquo;ve gone to around the world makes a big deal about it. Particularly because it&rsquo;s Keanu, and he&rsquo;s played the Christ figure in The Matrix. That and the remake seem to be the two most common questions I receive.<br /><br />This film shows your hope for human nature. What is it you see around you that gives you that hope?<br /><br />What I see that makes me hopeful about the future is certainly not the circumstances we&rsquo;re in, nor the gigantic messes that we&rsquo;ve made. What makes me hopeful is human nature, and I feel that way about myself as an individual as much as I feel it that way about America as a country or the human race as a species. I feel that, very often, we have to make mistakes and sometimes get ourselves into bad situations before we have the strength to recognize that we have to change on deep levels and make really significant alterations to who we are and the way we&rsquo;re living. Sometimes that&rsquo;s the very thing that forces us to grow beyond where we were before we made the mess in the first place.<br /><br />I see a lot of that every way I turn. I feel that way from my church community, from watching the national news and watching the way the country, from all sides and all political parties, how everyone has recognized the significant things that needed to be changed. I feel that way as I&rsquo;ve recently traveled around the world and listened to people in various countries talking about these issues.<br /><br />People talk about issues like environmentalism, which in my opinion is something that should not have become so politicized. But I think that everybody is realizing that we should be good stewards of our planet. We can all at least agree on that, so let&rsquo;s do what we can to sustain this life-giving world that we live in.<br /><br />I don&rsquo;t feel any sense of blind optimism, but I love it when I see people change. I love it when I see people grow. I love it when I see it in myself, in my children, in my wife. As much as there&rsquo;s a lot of adversity and a lot of hurting people right now...there are a lot of hurting people right now, especially because of the economic crunch. It&rsquo;s a basic belief of mine that that&rsquo;s the very thing that forges us into better human beings, if we respond properly. And I see a lot of good responses going on right now.<br /><br />The Day the Earth Stood Still speaks to many big &ldquo;life questions&rdquo; that a lot of other films address, but from a faith perspective. How difficult is it to make that part of the film without &ldquo;scripture-slapping&rdquo; people?<br /><br />It&rsquo;s not something I ever had to fight for. It&rsquo;s been very encouraging in the course of my career that I&rsquo;ve never felt on any level pressure to divorce my perspective as a Christian from the work that I do. I don&rsquo;t think I&rsquo;d be able to. <br /><br />I&rsquo;ve got a lot of problems and shortcomings, but one of the things I think I do well is that I&rsquo;m a pretty integrated person. My faith isn&rsquo;t a compartment in my life; it just is who I am. It&rsquo;s fundamental and foundational to who I am, and I can&rsquo;t do anything that&rsquo;s separated from it. <br /><br />I happen to believe that Christianity is true, and not just true in terms of the revelation of the Bible and Christ and all that, but it&rsquo;s also true about life and wisdom. It speaks to all issues well. I find that also Christianity is so rooted in Western storytelling, a tradition we&rsquo;ve all inherited for 2000 years.<br /><br />Keanu and I have had good conversations about this, how you can&rsquo;t escape it. You literally can&rsquo;t get away from it, and I think the filmmakers that go out of their way to get away from it end up telling stories that don&rsquo;t resonate as well with the popular public because they&rsquo;re breaking the storytelling tradition that people are sort of built to understand.<br /><br />With this movie, the Christ allegory of the alien character Klaatu is very overt in the original, and it works beautifully. It doesn&rsquo;t matter what your religious perspective is coming into the movie, it just works on a storytelling level. So I made the decision not to discard that, but to shape it for a modern audience in some ways. I think it&rsquo;s in people&rsquo;s DNA to respond to those things. <br /><br />But it can&rsquo;t be an attempt to get people to believe the way you believe. It&rsquo;s never that for me, because once you do that, people resist it. If the movie feels like it has a message, like it&rsquo;s trying to tell people how to think or how to act, even if they agree with that message, they know it&rsquo;s not good storytelling.<br /><br />But if you&rsquo;ve got truth in there, and they get to discover it, the packaging of it is something that doesn&rsquo;t bother them. If it doesn&rsquo;t feel specifically &ldquo;Christian,&rdquo; but feels truthful, they love it. I certainly don&rsquo;t expect to have any criticism at all to have done that with this film.<br /><br />I think to try to extract it from the original Robert Wise movie would force you to break the back of the story. If you tried to take it out, you&rsquo;d be left with a house with no rafters and the roof would fall in. There weren&rsquo;t any conversations about taking it out, because everyone knew it would have to be there, because that&rsquo;s what the story is. <br /><br />You&rsquo;ve been quoted as saying that your role as an artist is to &ldquo;shine light into the dark corners of human life.&rdquo; Where did that philosophy play out the strongest in this film?<br /><br />It has to do with the manner in which the film is an attempt to portray this moment in time, this era, this year of 2008. The original film was such a product of its time &ndash; it was about the whole war, the fear of the atomic bomb, the establishment of the UN.<br /><br />To me, what justified doing the remake in my own mind, was to tell the same story, but update it to modern day and deal with the social realities that we&rsquo;re all surrounded by, these kind of messes that we&rsquo;ve made.<br /><br />We&rsquo;ve made a mess of things on so many things, and we have yet so many problems, that it&rsquo;s becoming really serious. The war that we&rsquo;re in, the destruction of our planet, the cynicism of some people in powerful positions over the years, and certainly the economy being the one that we feel the most. I&rsquo;m not saying that because of the presidential election this year, but I see it in my friends and families in our church. It&rsquo;s HARD out there!<br /><br />I don&rsquo;t think of this as being a movie with a message, but it is an attempt to portray the world we live in. Human beings seem to be intent on self-destruction and the destruction of others. But there is this other side to us, and I&rsquo;m seeing that other side shine.<br /><br />I&rsquo;m trying to shine a light on the fact that there&rsquo;s hope for us, because people are responding to the messes that we&rsquo;re in and are rolling up their sleeves saying, &ldquo;OK, let&rsquo;s see what we can do about it. Let&rsquo;s figure out how we&rsquo;re going to &lsquo;change.&rsquo;&rdquo;<br /><br />I almost hate to use the word &ldquo;change,&rdquo; because it&rsquo;s become such a catch-phrase from everybody. Again, that&rsquo;s not a partisan statement, that&rsquo;s everyone. But what you have to do is step back even farther and think, it is kind of amazing that our whole country in America, and even the whole of the world, listening to specific individuals, are gathered around this idea that &ldquo;yes, we&rsquo;ve made some really bad mistakes, and we&rsquo;ve gotten ourselves into them. But we&rsquo;re going to do what we&rsquo;ve got to do here.&rdquo;<br /><br />I believe in that, and I believe in that on every level. Probably one of the best examples I can use for it is that it matters not whether you were an Obama or a McCain supporter, but I think it&rsquo;s extraordinarily significant that we elected a black President. What that does say is that America has overcome something huge.<br /><br />Even if you believe he was the wrong guy for the job, I think everyone can at least agree that we surprised the world by doing that one thing, because people thought that we would never get over that. <br /><br />I think the light that shines in the movie is that sometimes when things are very bad, when we make messes of things, those are the very things that propel us toward growth. It leaves us better than we were in the first place.<br /><br />I&rsquo;m very moved by that. As a Biblical reference, I was in Madrid doing press [for the film] and visited the Prado Museum. I saw this incredible painting I&rsquo;d never seen of the Apostle Peter being crucified upside down. I was looking at the painting, and I thought, &ldquo;I think he only gathered the strength to die that kind of martyr&rsquo;s death,&rdquo; <br /><br />This was the guy who denied Christ. The guy who arguably had the worst moral failure of all the people in the New Testament, even possibly worse than Judas&rsquo; failure. The difference was that he recognized it, and it transformed him into something really extraordinary where he could go and become the foundation of the modern church, write a good portion of the Bible, and die this martyr&rsquo;s death.<br /><br />I&rsquo;m very moved by that, and I&rsquo;m a deep believer in that idea, that sometimes we have to make those mistakes, or be allowed to make those mistakes, and get ourselves in those desperate situations before we can grow to the level we need to grow to.<br /><br />That, to me, is the light in the movie, that &ldquo;at the precipice, we change.&rdquo; That&rsquo;s something that can be applied to someone who&rsquo;s struggling with a marriage, or with an illness, or a country struggling with a war, even a human race struggling with its own issues. I love that idea and I thoroughly believe it.<br /><br />Are there images or movies that have been significant to you in a spiritual way?<br /><br />I just thought of 500 films, but I&rsquo;ll name one. My favorite director is Akira Kurosawa. I have taught college courses on his films and seen all 30 of his films multiple times. My favorite of his is Ikiru. It had been my favorite film for many years. I think everyone&rsquo;s life as a Christian takes different forms. There are different things that become important to individuals, and it&rsquo;s the life of God in them, their calling as individuals. For me, it&rsquo;s meaning.<br /><br />I care so much about meaning. What is meaningful? I want to live a meaningful life. I don&rsquo;t care about happiness. There are probably good things I should care more about, but I&rsquo;m really obsessed with the idea of meaning. I feel like Ikiru is a film that captures meaning as well as any film I&rsquo;ve ever seen. It&rsquo;s about a man who&rsquo;s dying of cancer. It&rsquo;s about death, and halfway through the film he actually dies, and it&rsquo;s very shocking.<br /><br />But it&rsquo;s really about when he finds he has cancer, he goes to look for the meaning of life. What do I do with this time that I have left? He tries to connect with his son, and he ultimately finds meaning in unselfishness. He realizes he has to do something outside of himself because that&rsquo;s where meaning resides. To me, that is at the heart of Christian life. <br /><br />From the time I first saw it, it was always my favorite film. I was teaching this class at Azusa Pacific University, and I was in the parking lot when I got the phone call that my dad had died. I had that film in my hand. It&rsquo;s funny, because when I look at that and think about it, I think that the role cinema has in our lives is so deep and so profound for those of us who love it. It connects to real things, and that day it connected to an intensely personal event in my life.<br /><br />&copy;2008 ChristianCinema.com</p>]]></content></entry><entry><title>“The Day the Earth Stood Still”: A Classic Goes Modern</title><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/12/15/the-day-the-earth-stood-still-a-classic-goes-modern.html</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/12/15/the-day-the-earth-stood-still-a-classic-goes-modern.html"/><author><name>CN</name></author><published>2008-12-15T09:29:45Z</published><updated>2008-12-15T09:29:45Z</updated><content type="html" xml:lang="en-US"><![CDATA[<p><span class="full-image-float-right ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/121208Postertextless.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1229333455135" alt="" /></span></span>&ldquo;The Day the Earth Stood Still&rdquo;: A Classic Goes Modern<br /><br />Fifty-seven years ago director Robert Wise created the science-fiction classic &ldquo;The Day the Earth Stood Still.&rdquo; In a bit of irony worthy of a Hollywood script, the 2008 remake is helmed by director Scott Derrickson (The Exorcism of Emily Rose), who, as a film student, once had a private dinner with Wise. He had no idea that one day he would be re-imagining Wise&rsquo;s film for today&rsquo;s audience.<br /><br />Where the premise of the original film was rooted in man&rsquo;s violence against man, Derrickson&rsquo;s story is rooted in mankind&rsquo;s destruction of the Earth&rsquo;s environment. &ldquo;I was struck by the idea that updating this movie had tremendous value,&rdquo; said Derrickson. &ldquo;The original was so rooted in the social issues of its time. It was an intelligent and interesting self-reflective commentary coming from an American studio and American filmmaker. It included fear of the atomic bomb and the struggle to establish the United Nations, things that were controversial and divisive.<br /><br />&ldquo;I loved the idea of being able to tell basically the same story but bringing in these new social issues that we have now; these interesting messes that we&rsquo;ve gotten ourselves into in the world. That alone seemed to have value to it and make sense.&rdquo;<br /><br />Why a remake?<br /><br />The idea of remaking &ldquo;The Day the Earth Stood Still&rdquo; first struck producer Erwin Stoff, who has managed actor Keanu Reeves (Klaatu) since he first came to Hollywood. During a meeting at Twentieth Century Fox studios, Stoff noticed a poster for the classic film hanging on the wall. &ldquo;I said, &lsquo;Forget about the project I came here to talk to you about. What we should do is develop &ldquo;The Day the Earth Stood Still&rdquo; with Keanu playing Klaatu,&rsquo;&rdquo; he remembers. It was a great idea, but he didn&rsquo;t see a screenplay for another 12 years.<br /><br /><span class="full-image-float-left ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/121208Derrickson.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1229333484276" alt="" /></span></span>When Stoff saw Derrickson&rsquo;s thriller The Exorcism of Emily Rose, he was &ldquo;knocked out by Scott as a director.&rdquo; He wanted Derrickson for this story because &ldquo;There is a thriller element to this film, a real sense of danger about Klaatu. You&rsquo;re not sure what he&rsquo;s going to do next, or how far he&rsquo;s going to take things. Scott is a masterful storyteller in terms of creating that kind of tension and mystery and danger.&rdquo;<br /><br />When Derrickson considered doing the film, he thought through the implications of remaking the classic. &ldquo;I do think there&rsquo;s something different about this film as opposed to other classics which are so much more known by the general movie-going audience. I think there is value to telling this story to the general movie-going population who for the most part won&rsquo;t have seen the original and won&rsquo;t know that story.&rdquo; <br /><br />The original only grossed $1.85 million at the box office in 1951. But thanks to developing television technology, the film became the best-loved movie of the Cold War era, and may have been the inspiration for Steven Spielberg&rsquo;s &ldquo;Close Encounters of the Third Kind&rdquo; and &ldquo;E.T.: The Extraterrestrial.&rdquo;<br /><br />The Cast<br /><br /><span class="full-image-float-left ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/121208Klaatu.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1229333510338" alt="" /></span></span>Keanu Reeves (Speed, The Matrix, The Lake House) heads the cast as the alien Klaatu. He lands his spaceship in New York City with the goal of meeting the leaders of Earth and warning them that the human race will be destroyed in order to save the planet. &ldquo;I love [the science fiction] genre. It provides great storytelling opportunities,&rdquo; said Reeves in a recent interview. &ldquo;I&rsquo;ve had the good fortune in the past to be part of good films.&rdquo; <br /><br />When Reeves joined the project, he and Derrickson and screenwriter David Scarpa spent weeks working together on the script, going scene by scene to work out how the movie would function. &ldquo;I had a great experience working on the script with Scott and David and the producers,&rdquo; Reeves reported. &ldquo;It was a real collaborative effort and a lot of thinking was put into what we were trying to say and how we wanted to say it.&rdquo;<br /><br />&ldquo;It was a very interesting process for me as a director to watch Keanu play Klaatu,&rdquo; Derrickson said. &ldquo;We had an interesting conversation quite a bit during the making of the movie about to what degree Klaatu is human. He says his body is human, but where does the body end and the mind begin? We had to work out at least an understanding for ourselves how him becoming human was really occurring, and that was part of what was really fun and interesting about the process of working on that character.&rdquo;<br /><br /><span class="full-image-float-left ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/121208HelenJacob.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1229333541276" alt="" /></span></span>Playing Dr. Helen Benson, whose interaction with the alien Klaatu could affect the future of the world, is veteran Jennifer Connelly (A Beautiful Mind, Blood Diamond, Hulk). Helen was the first human being to make physical contact with Klaatu when he emerged from his spacecraft, and their ongoing personal connection was the starting point for Klaatu to see the better side of humanity. <br /><br />As Helen attempts to cope with the massive global catastrophe that is set in motion by Klaatu, the alien sees a much more intimate family drama being played out between the scientist and her rebellious 11-year-old stepson Jacob (played by Jaden Smith). &ldquo;The relationship between Helen and Jacob is employed in a different way than it is in the original film,&rdquo; said Connelly. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s really a sort of microcosm of human nature and how we&rsquo;re treating each other.&rdquo; <br /><br />Jon Hamm (Mad Men, We Were Soldiers) plays Michael Granier, a government scientist who has the responsibility of pulling together a team of scientists to solve the problem. &ldquo;I came on relatively late to the project,&rdquo; says Hamm. &ldquo;It was already going, and I came into the scene that explains what&rsquo;s about to happen. It&rsquo;s essentially a 3-page long monologue about astronomy and trajectories and things like that. I got off a plane, got fitted, and went right on set. It was a little nerve-wracking.&rdquo;<br /><br />Making her science fiction debut is Kathy Bates as Secretary of Defense Regina Jackson. &ldquo;She&rsquo;s put on the defensive from the get-go,&rdquo; said Bates, &ldquo;But she tries to control the situation as best she can.&rdquo; Bates had only two weeks to shoot all of her scenes before going to another production, so she took a rather unorthodox approach to her scenes. When Derrickson would give her a direction about a scene, she would occasionally say, &ldquo;You do it,&rdquo; and he would have to act out the scene. &ldquo;It was a bit intimidating,&rdquo; said Derrickson,&rdquo; but she would immediately understand what I was looking for.&rdquo;<br /><br />John Cleese (Monty Python) plays Professor Barnhardt, a Nobel prize-winning physicist. When Helen tries to persuade Klaatu that humans can change, she takes him to meet Professor Barnhardt, who is working on a complex mathematical equation. As Klaatu steps forward and makes corrections to his work, Barnhardt realizes he&rsquo;s in the presence of someone with a great intellect and knowledge.<br /><br />&ldquo;We wanted it to look like a conversation,&rdquo; said Reeves. &ldquo;We tried to be truthful to the scientific aspect,&rdquo; added Derrickson. &ldquo;We had a physicist who worked with Keanu and John. I remember watching them for quite a long time in a room working out the back and forth of that scene. And we added material to make it longer at one point to get that kind of rhythm and flow to is. I didn&rsquo;t really have much to do with it; it was really Keanu, the theoretical physicist and John Cleese. The three of them figured it out, and I thought it was just fantastic.&rdquo;<br /><br />The Technology<br /><br /><span class="full-image-float-left ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/121208Sphere.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1229333639229" alt="" /></span></span>The original Klaatu came to earth in a flying saucer that became the standard for all science fiction cinema from that point on. Made of metallic materials and powered by engines, its influence can be seen in such films as Star Trek, Star Wars, and 2001: A Space Odyssey. <br /><br />When asked about his updates to the spacecraft, Derrickson said,&ldquo;I thought to myself, &lsquo;Wouldn&rsquo;t it be interesting to represent an alien civilization that had come from a completely different trajectory, that wasn&rsquo;t born out of an industrial civilization like ours?&rsquo; I read a lot of science fiction literature, and that literature for the last 15 years has gotten into ecology, biology, and spirituality or theology. That&rsquo;s really where it&rsquo;s all going. It&rsquo;s really not into technology.<br /><br />&ldquo;It was not easy. Those spheres were hard to design and work out. I thought how smart Stanley Kubrick was in not showing the aliens in 2001. There&rsquo;s so much power in not knowing, in what you don&rsquo;t see. That makes it all in the mind. So I started thinking what could we show on the outside that would make you really want to know &lsquo;what&rsquo;s in there?&rsquo;&rdquo;<br /><br />The robot Gort who travels with Klaatu to Earth is as iconic as the flying saucer. It is updated in this remake with a fresh look and nanotechnology. In his 21st century incarnation, Gort is an entirely CGI (Computer-generated images) character who stands 28 feet tall. While government officials perceive Klaatu to be the biggest threat to the well-being of the planet and its inhabitants, it is Gort who unleashes a deadly force programmed to annihilate humanity.<br /><br />Jeff Okun (visual effects supervisor), David Brisbin (production designer) and Derrickson considered hundreds of images, ideas and illustrations in their quest to update Gort for modern audiences. &ldquo;We spent a lot of time designing these alien monster things that got increasingly ridiculous,&rdquo; said Derrickson. &ldquo;I remember after three or four months of work sitting in a room with these two pieces of artwork that were the current version and saying, &lsquo;These look like something that should be in a musem of modern art or in a park as a piece of art.&rsquo; I didn&rsquo;t even know what I was looking at.<br /><br />&ldquo;Then Jeff Okun said something I&rsquo;ll never forget. He was standing in the doorway and said, &lsquo;Why aren&rsquo;t we just making it look like Gort?&rsquo; <br /><br />&ldquo;I just looked at him and didn&rsquo;t even want to acknowledge how dumb I felt. So I said, &lsquo;Yeah, get rid of all these. We need to make it feel and look like the original somehow but have the scale and magnitude and impact that a modern audience will find satisfying.&rsquo;&rdquo;<br /><br />The result was a solid, intractable, inscrutable human shape that was the essence of what was so threatening about him. Once the design was finalized and the character rendered, his impassive, impenetrable surface was carefully sculpted to reflect light in a dramatic manner, heightening his sinister look.<br /><br />When asked about the nanotechnology, Derrickson replied, &ldquo;I thought the nanotechnology aspect of it was very interesting, and it&rsquo;s a major part of science fiction literature right now. I liked the idea of that playing a role and justifying why Gort is in that form. It&rsquo;s not that he&rsquo;s built that way, but he chose that shape to present himself, so that made rational sense to me.&rdquo;<br /><br />Saving the Earth<br /><br />As part of Twentieth Century Fox parent company News Corp.&rsquo;s corporate mandate to become a carbon-neutral company by the year 2010, The Day the Earth Stood Still was chosen to be the studio&rsquo;s first green production. Where possible, departments used recyclable materials and biodegradable products. The art and costume departments utilized digital photography, cutting down on paper waste. <br /><br />&ldquo;This was a paperless production,&rdquo; said Derrickson, &ldquo;and for a director, storyboards become very complicated because they&rsquo;re all in digital, so I never knew who had what. There was no notebook to carry around, and that became confusing. But it was a true green show.&rdquo;<br /><br />Despite its unwavering look at the shortcomings of the human race and the condition of our planet today, The Day the Earth Stood Still maintains a prevailing sense of optimism about the future of mankind. When the movie was in production, Derrickson knew it would be released in December of 2008, after a new president had been elected.<br /><br />&ldquo;I felt like I think most Americans felt. I felt we had slipped off track in a number of ways and gotten ourselves into some real serious jams. I had also the same feeling that the majority of Americans had, which was not one of cynical pessimism. I felt good. It felt like the collective community of America that I lived in was recognizing its mistakes, and that felt really encouraging to see and be a part of.<br /><br />&ldquo;I had faith and hope that this would be a time of optimism, of expectation, and that there would be some significant changes in this country. That&rsquo;s not a partisan statement, it&rsquo;s just a statement of fact.<br /><br />&ldquo;We all know we made some mistakes, we&rsquo;ve made some misjudgments, and I think everyone is ready to admit them and correct them and represent ourselves better, not just domestically, but as part of a global community. I love the idea of making a big popcorn movie that has some of that uncynical point of view.&rdquo;<br /><br />Producer Stoff said, &ldquo;we intended to stay true to the original film in telling a tale that is hopeful, about man&rsquo;s ability to rise to the challenges presented to our evolution and existence.&rdquo;<br /><br />&ldquo;I think the film is really positive in its view of human nature,&rdquo; says Reeves. &ldquo;Once things get pretty dire, we tend to rally. And I think this picture shows some of the worst of ourselves, and then promotes the idea of how we can be the best of ourselves.&rdquo;<br /><br />The Day the Earth Stood Still opens nationwide on Friday, December 12. It is rated PG-13 for some sci-fi disaster images and violence.<br /><br />&copy;2008 ChristianCinema.com</p>]]></content></entry><entry><title>“Bolt” - Disney Film with Pixar Qualities</title><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/12/5/bolt-disney-film-with-pixar-qualities.html</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/12/5/bolt-disney-film-with-pixar-qualities.html"/><author><name>CN</name></author><published>2008-12-05T07:32:51Z</published><updated>2008-12-05T07:32:51Z</updated><content type="html" xml:lang="en-US"><![CDATA[<p><span class="full-image-float-right ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/Bolt_dogsm.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1228462416906" alt="" /></span></span>&ldquo;Bolt&rdquo;<span> </span>- Disney Film with Pixar Qualities</p>
<p>Walt Disney Animation Studios&rsquo; release of <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/newsdesk_info.php?newsdesk_id=860">Bolt</a> marks an important milestone in the studio&rsquo;s history. It is the company&rsquo;s first animated feature conceived and produced since Disney and Pixar merged three years ago. In that merger, Oscar&reg;-winning director John Lasseter and Ed Catmull, the co-founders of Pixar Animation Studios, were chosen to head the two studios. Lasseter serves as Chief Creative Officer for both Disney and Pixar, and Catmull as president of both studios.</p>
<p><strong>The Story</strong></p>
<p>Super-dog Bolt&rsquo;s (voiced by John Travolta) days are filled with adventure and intrigue as long as the cameras are rolling. The star of a hit TV show, he believes his amazing feats and powers are real, and lives to protect his person &ldquo;Penny&rdquo; (voiced by Miley Cyrus). One day he is accidentally shipped from his Hollywood soundstage to New York City, where he begins his biggest adventure ever, a cross-country journey to get back to Penny.</p>
<p>With the help of two very unlikely traveling companions, a jaded and cynical abandoned housecat named Mittens (voiced by Susie Essman) and a TV-obsessed hamster Rhino (voiced by Disney animator Mark Walton), Bolt discovers he doesn&rsquo;t need superpowers to be a hero.</p>
<p><strong><span class="full-image-float-right ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/LASSETER2sm.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1228462459593" alt="" /></span></span>The Story Behind the Story</strong></p>
<p>Like recent Pixar releases, Bolt has a quality that captures and holds onto adults as well as children, and when questioned about that, Lasseter remarked, &ldquo;It&rsquo;s quality. Quality is the best business plan.</p>
<p>&ldquo;If you put out a bad movie, it&rsquo;s not going to go anywhere. If you make a really good movie, then it will get legs and people will watch it again. My wife always says, &ldquo;Don&rsquo;t make your movies for the first time that someone will see them. Make them for the 100<sup>th</sup> time that a parent has to suffer through it on video.</p>
<p>&ldquo;[When Disney and Pixar merged], there were a number of projects already in the works that I jumped in to work on and help with. &lsquo;Bolt&rsquo; had just gotten started, so it was one of the ones that I said I wanted to roll up my sleeves and work on to help make great for the whole company.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Lasseter, the Oscar&reg;-winning director of &ldquo;Toy Story,&rdquo; &ldquo;A Bug&rsquo;s Life,&rdquo; &ldquo;Toy Story 2&rdquo; and &ldquo;Cars,&rdquo; recognized the film&rsquo;s potential for the company. &ldquo;Walt Disney always said, &lsquo;for every laugh, there should be a tear.&rsquo; That means having the humor come from the characters, but also showing the heart of the character.</p>
<p>&ldquo;If you get people invested in the characters and the journey these characters go through, and get them into true situations, that&rsquo;s where those emotions come from. That&rsquo;s why I&rsquo;m really proud of &lsquo;Bolt&rsquo;.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Disney story and development veteran Chris Williams and animator Byron Howard (&ldquo;Mulan,&rdquo; &ldquo;Lilo &amp; Stitch&rdquo; and &ldquo;Brother Bear&rdquo;) served as directors, the first time for both. Both were involved in the story process, and then Williams oversaw editorial, the recording sessions with the actors, and layout. Howard handled the animation side, after which it went back to Williams for lighting and effects.</p>
<p><strong>The Talent</strong></p>
<p><span class="full-image-float-left ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/Bolt_Pennysm.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1228462511421" alt="" /></span></span>One of the most popular and sought-after talents in show business today, Miley Cyrus voices &ldquo;Penny,&rdquo; Bolt&rsquo;s owner. &ldquo;One reason I really wanted to do this movie is because I love animals,&rdquo; said Cyrus. &ldquo;I have five dogs of my own and I know if one ran away I wouldn&rsquo;t be able to do anything. And that&rsquo;s the way Penny is. She can&rsquo;t work. She can&rsquo;t sleep. She can&rsquo;t eat.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Two-time Oscar&reg;-nominated actor John Travolta was invited to take the role of &ldquo;Bolt&rdquo; by Dick Cook, chairman of Walt Disney Studio Entertainment. &ldquo;My good friends have done great animated features (Tom Hanks in the &ldquo;Toy Story&rdquo; films, Robin Williams in &ldquo;Aladdin&rdquo;) and I didn&rsquo;t want to do an average film. If I&rsquo;m going to do an animated feature, I&rsquo;m going to do a great one.</p>
<p>&ldquo;Michael Eisner (former head of Disney Animation) had offered me a couple and I didn&rsquo;t quite think they were there. Finally Dick Cook called and said, &lsquo;I think we&rsquo;ve got the one for you. It&rsquo;s going to be high end.&rsquo;</p>
<p>&ldquo;I know John [Lasseter] was involved, and Miley [Cyrus] and Susie [Essman} were involved, and I thought, &lsquo;maybe it&rsquo;s the one to say yes to.&rsquo;&rdquo;</p>
<p>Aiding in Travolta&rsquo;s decision was the excitement of his family when they found out he was going to do a movie and music video with Miley Cyrus. &ldquo;It was big enough doing a movie with her, but singing and dancing with her was a whole other thing! I could dine out on that for months. I was so popular when I got home with the news that I did a song with Miley.&rdquo; Their song &ldquo;I Thought I Lost You,&rdquo; written by Cyrus and Jeff Steele, is one of the musical highlights of the film.</p>
<p><strong>The Challenges of Animation</strong></p>
<p>Since it was Travolta&rsquo;s first animated film, he wasn&rsquo;t quite sure what to expect. &ldquo;When I read the script I couldn&rsquo;t really imagine what it would end up like because it&rsquo;s all up to the animator&rsquo;s imagination. You have to take a little bit of risk that it&rsquo;s going to go in the direction you want.&rdquo;</p>
<p>He described his work with director Williams. &ldquo;I&rsquo;ve never had so much input from a director on a role. You&rsquo;re completely dependent on the director for all the things you can&rsquo;t think of. He really supplies the ambience and the emotional levels for us.</p>
<p>&ldquo;You ask the director to show you the way, and then give them a &ldquo;Chinese menu&rdquo; of options. You give them 15 &ndash; 25 versions of one sentence and then the animators hopefully like one of them.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Though this was Travolta&rsquo;s first animated feature, he was comfortable with the idea of recording behind a microphone because of his previous work in voiceovers for radio and television.<span> </span>A veteran of television, stage and film known for developing his characters, he said, &ldquo;I had not yet gone on the journey of discovering how an animated feature is put together, so the director (Williams) really helped guide me through this process.</p>
<p>&ldquo;To some degree, it&rsquo;s a leap of faith,&rdquo; said Travolta, &ldquo;Because you don&rsquo;t have any other actors with you and you don&rsquo;t really know what the animators are conjuring up as the end result.&rdquo;</p>
<p>According to Lasseter, voicing animated films is one of the toughest acting jobs. &ldquo;They really do not have inspiration from the set, from the other cast members, from the energy of the audience, or even the costume they&rsquo;re wearing. They are just in the studio with the director, and they have to go deep inside themselves for emotions, energy, etc.</p>
<p>&ldquo;We take videotapes [of the actors] just for reference, and it&rsquo;s there for the animators to be able to see. While the characters don&rsquo;t necessarily look like them, there are a lot of gestures that make their way into the animation process.</p>
<p>&ldquo;The original voice actors really, really, really influence the characters. When people say actors don&rsquo;t have a lot to do with animation, that&rsquo;s wrong, because their voices are a lot of the inspiration for all of us to create the animation and characters.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Adds Williams, &ldquo;As a director, you really have to help them conjure up the scene. You might say, &lsquo;your character is running,&rsquo; and they&rsquo;ll ask, &lsquo;well, how fast?&rsquo; &ldquo;really, really fast!&rsquo; For our actors, it&rsquo;s a very draining experience.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Susie Essman, the voice of &ldquo;Mittens,&rdquo; said of her experience, &ldquo;Chris [Williams] was incredible. Let&rsquo;s say I would do 20 versions of something and he&rsquo;d say, &lsquo;OK, I like #2 and #17!&rsquo;&rdquo;</p>
<p><strong>The Characters</strong></p>
<p><span class="full-image-float-left ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/Bolt_catsm.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1228462579296" alt="" /></span></span>&ldquo;What attracted me to Mittens in the first place was her story arc and how much it changes. I kind of feel like she has the moral authority of the film. She&rsquo;s the voice of reality. [Bolt] is delusional and out of his mind,&rdquo; said Essman.</p>
<p>&ldquo;But Bolt is delusional because he&rsquo;s been misinformed, he&rsquo;s been misused, and he&rsquo;s a victim. I think once I find out that he&rsquo;s not really crazy, just treated poorly, then I feel this incredible compassion for him and this friendship evolves.</p>
<p>&ldquo;I think that&rsquo;s the emotional arc of the film, the friendship of Mittens and Bolt. What Mittens learns from Bolt is all about friendship and trust and loyalty. He&rsquo;s the most loyal and trusting friend. He wants to get back to Penny, even when he knows he&rsquo;s not a superdog and she&rsquo;s been lying to him in a certain way. He is loyal to his person.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Bolt&rsquo;s trust and positive attitude is in sharp contrast to Mittens&rsquo; pessimistic outlook and sarcastic sense of humor. &ldquo;The central argument of the movie is this idea of making connections, and the risks and rewards of making those connections had to play out in Bolt and Mittens,&rdquo; said Williams.</p>
<p>&ldquo;We really had to have great chemistry between all three of those animals on the journey, so we were always tinkering with the balance to make sure the dynamic worked with all of them. There&rsquo;s something very great about the distinct vocal ranges of those characters.&rdquo;</p>
<p><span class="full-image-float-left ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/Bolt_Rhinosm.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1228462616718" alt="" /></span></span>In a move borrowed from Pixar, &ldquo;Rhino,&rdquo; a Disney employee, animator Mark Walton, voices the fun-loving TV-obsessed hamster. &ldquo;Some people have said it&rsquo;s a bit of typecasting because it&rsquo;s not a far reach for me to get into the excitable kind of nerd fanboy geek. I love animation, I&rsquo;ve always loved Disney, and having the chance to work here in the first place is an incredible dream that I could never have imagined coming true.</p>
<p>&ldquo;Then getting to be a character voice in a Disney film &ndash; a really good, funny, well-written and animated film &ndash; it&rsquo;s not hard for me to generate a lot of enthusiasm. It&rsquo;s me dialed up a little it more than normal.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Director Williams explains the selection of Walton for the voice of &ldquo;Rhino.&rdquo; &ldquo;We do &lsquo;scratch dialog&rsquo; with the intention of replacing it with the real actor who comes in from the outside. We had Mark doing the scratch, and after hearing it, obviously the search was over, because he was fantastic. We wanted to find a way to tell him so we could get it on camera.</p>
<p>&ldquo;We set up a mock recording session and told him we were going to re-record a line and needed a little bit more enthusiasm. So we re-wrote the end of the line to say, &lsquo;And I&rsquo;m the voice of Rhino.&rsquo;</p>
<p>&ldquo;Mark goes through the line and is all hyped-up. He gets to the end of the line and looks at me and I say, &lsquo;You got the part!&rsquo; He went bananas. He was jumping up and down and screaming and throwing the music stand around. It was a really genuine reaction, and it was great.&rdquo;</p>
<p><strong>The Story in 3-D</strong></p>
<p>&ldquo;Bolt&rdquo; is Disney&rsquo;s first film conceived from the very beginning as a 3-D movie. &ldquo;Meet the Robinsons&rdquo; and &ldquo;Chicken Little&rdquo; were both done in 3-D, but not until the end of their production.</p>
<p>Chief Creative Officer Lasseter has a fascination with 3-D. &ldquo;I love 3-D. I got married in 1988 and did my wedding photos in 3-D. It&rsquo;s an immersive experience and I have always loved it, so I&rsquo;m excited to have theaters all over the world popping up to show 3-D films.</p>
<p>&ldquo;When you see &ldquo;Bolt&rdquo; in 3-D, you get sucked into the film that much more. &lsquo;Up&rsquo; will be the first Pixar film in 3-D, and all animated films in both studios from here on will be 3-D as well.&rdquo;</p>
<p>One of the original founders of Pixar Animation Studios, Lasseter was an early proponent of the usage of advanced technology. &ldquo;I&rsquo;ve always loved technology and think about how to entertain our audiences with new technology. At Pixar when DVD was still a notion, we started planning ahead so we were the first to start mastering our films digitally. We started with &lsquo;A Bug&rsquo;s Life,&rsquo; which was the first DVD.</p>
<p>&ldquo;We love the special features on the DVDs, and that&rsquo;s become a big part of the DVD and the Blu-Ray market, so we always have something planned for that. Of course we have something up our sleeves we can&rsquo;t announce quite yet for &lsquo;Bolt&rsquo; that is going to be exceptional.&rdquo;</p>
<p><strong>Bolt at the Box Office</strong></p>
<p>&ldquo;Bolt&rdquo; earned over $26 million in its first weekend at the box office. It was shown at more than 3,600 theaters and averaged $7,182 per theater. A delightful film for children and adults alike, &ldquo;Bolt&rdquo; is a great example of the positive effects of merging the vast pools of talent found in Disney and Pixar Animation Studios.</p>
<p>&copy;2008 ChristianCinema.com</p>]]></content></entry><entry><title>Lee Strobel: Making a Case for Faith</title><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/24/lee-strobel-making-a-case-for-faith.html</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/24/lee-strobel-making-a-case-for-faith.html"/><author><name>CN</name></author><published>2008-11-24T18:22:21Z</published><updated>2008-11-24T18:22:21Z</updated><content type="html" xml:lang="en-US"><![CDATA[<p><span class="full-image-float-right ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/lee-photo-120.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1227550963406" alt="" /></span></span>Lee Strobel: Making a Case for Faith</p>
<p>By Angela Walker</p>
<p>Author, journalist and now filmmaker Lee Strobel is best known for his &ldquo;Case&rdquo; books that explore the claims of Christianity. Educated at Yale Law School and former legal editor for <em>The Chicago Tribune</em>, he was an atheist for years. When his wife became a Christian, the changes he observed in her caused him to investigate God, the existence of Jesus Christ, and the Bible&rsquo;s claims for faith.<br /> <br /> What he found caused him to turn to Christ and a life that has influenced millions through his writing. So far, three of his books have been turned into <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1974">documentary DVDs</a> that take the view on a journey of a discovery &ndash; a discovery of the God of the Universe, His Son, and a faith that can withstand the greatest onslaughts.</p>
<p><em>Was there a particular chronological order in which you wanted to produce these DVDs?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>: Yes, initially, I wanted to do <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1576">The Case for a Creator</a>, which dealt with the scientific evidence pointing toward God. That&rsquo;s sort of the central &ldquo;God question.&rdquo; Then <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1945">The Case for Christ</a>, which deals with the historical evidence for Jesus being the Son of God. Then I wanted to do <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2420">The Case for Faith</a>, the newest one, which deals with tough obstacles and tough objections to God. Objections like &ldquo;How can there be so much pain and suffering if there is a loving God?&rdquo; and &ldquo;Why do Christians claim that Jesus is the only way to God?&rdquo;<br /> <br /> That&rsquo;s the order in my mind, but it doesn&rsquo;t really matter because people are at different places in their spiritual journey. Some of them might need one thing before another.<br /> <em><br /> It&rsquo;s been 20-something years since your conversion. In one of the films, you and your wife are very transparent about the struggle you had as a couple when she was a believer and you were just exploring faith.</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>: It was a very difficult time. We actually did a book on that topic called, &ldquo;Surviving a Spiritual Mismatch in Marriage.&rdquo; We talk about the real struggle that happens when one spouse is a committed Christian and the other is not. (I was an atheist before becoming a Christian)<br /> <br /> We try to talk honestly about that year of our life because a lot of people are there and need encouragement. They also need help in terms of how to reach out to someone, so we&rsquo;re hoping these DVDs are something that a spouse might be willing to sit down to watch. Perhaps it will lead to some discussion.<br /> <br /> <em>Your wife mentioned that she didn&rsquo;t realize coming to faith was such a deeply emotional process for you. A moment later, you said that you didn&rsquo;t want to be held accountable.</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  I investigated Christianity because of the positive changes I had seen in my wife since she became a Christian. That impressed and intrigued me. It was very winsome and attractive. So it prompted me to use my journalism and legal training to investigate whether there was any truth to this.<br /> <br /> It was a process where I tried to keep an open mind, as much as I could. At the same time, I had motivations for not finding God. I didn&rsquo;t want to be held accountable for the immorality in my life. I knew that if God existed, there were things I had been involved with that He wouldn&rsquo;t approve of. So I had reasons not to find God.<br /> <br /> At the same time, I did try to approach it like an umpire at a baseball game. I tried to call a strike a strike and a ball a ball and let the outcome be whatever was appropriate.<br /> <br /> <em>When you realized the existence of God, did you simultaneously recognize Jesus as His Son, and that all of His claims were true, or was it a more gradual process?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  I was investigating a lot of different strands of evidence at the same time. But I had to come to the conclusion first whether or not God existed before I could know whether or not Jesus is His Son. So the scientific evidence from physics and biochemistry and genetics and so forth was important in being confident that God does exist in the first place.<br /> <br /> Then it becomes an historical question whether or not Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and whether or not He proved it by returning from the dead. That&rsquo;s really a question of history, and as I looked at the historical evidence for the resurrection, I became convinced that it was an event that actually happened in time and space. Jesus, by returning from the dead, established His credentials as being divine. So that kind of completed the case and took me from general theism, or belief in God, to Christianity, which is believing as well in the divinity of Jesus.<br /> <br /> <em>What are some of the most compelling sources you found that you would recommend to someone who&rsquo;s on a similar journey?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  Fortunately, we have a lot of good resources these days. We have a lot of scholars who have spent a lifetime delving into the minutiae of the issues and documenting a lot of the historical material that makes this investigation easier today than it would have been a hundred years ago.<br /> <br /> There are sources outside the Bible that tend to corroborate what the New Testament tells us. In his book, &ldquo;The Historical Jesus,&rdquo; Gary Habermas documents over 100 facts about the life, teachings, miracles, death and resurrection of Jesus that are in some way corroborated by material that comes from outside the Bible. That material is all over the board in terms of its reliability, but you can create sort of a contour of the essentials of Jesus&rsquo; life, even from sources outside the Bible.<br /> <br /> Yet I think people who rely too much on that are missing the point because the New Testament is the best information we have about Jesus. Not just because it&rsquo;s the Bible or &ldquo;The Word of God,&rdquo; but because it&rsquo;s a set of ancient historical documents that come right from the first century, right from where Jesus lived and rooted in eyewitness testimony. They are corroborated in places by archaeology and stand up to scrutiny.<br /> <br /> They have credibility, and I think that scholars who tend to dismiss the New Testament as propaganda have not really taken and applied the historical techniques that are used to determine whether any historical document is trustworthy and applied them to the New Testament. If they do, they find that the New Testament really does pass with flying colors.<br /> <br /> <em>Do you know why you were an atheist in the first place?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  I would like to say that I was an atheist because I thoroughly examined the evidence and came to the most rational conclusion that God doesn&rsquo;t exist. But I didn&rsquo;t, and few atheists do, to be honest.<br /> <br /> On the one hand, I did have intellectual objections to Christianity. I was not aware of the historical evidence for Jesus the scientific evidence for the existence of God. I did a smattering of reading. I read some atheist writers, who tend to reinforce each other. I read Bertrand Russell and Antony Flew, and lots of atheistic scholars who are sort of &ldquo;preaching to the choir.&rdquo; <br /> <br /> To a degree, intellectual objections did keep me from God. On the other hand, in my case, and in the case of many people, there is a moral objection. I was living an immoral life, and I did not want God to exist. I had an ulterior motive in not finding God, so I cannot say it was purely a matter of intellectual objection. There was a moral issue involved, and as Ravi Zacharias has pointed out, it probably indicates more often than not that people have a reason for running from God. Many times it&rsquo;s intellectual, by many more times it&rsquo;s moral.<br /> <br /> <em>Part of your journey to faith involved hearing Bill Hybels speak at the Willowcreek Church, didn&rsquo;t it?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  On January 20, 1980, the first day I began to investigate Christianity as an atheist, my wife brought me to that church, which is where she found faith. That&rsquo;s what started my whole journey, was hearing Bill Hybels talk. Years later, in 1987, after I became a Christian and felt called into the ministry, I ended up on the staff of Willowcreek. Ultimately, I ended up being ordained there and being on the teaching team as well as the management team. I was there from 1987 &ndash; 2000.<br /> <br /> <em>After your ordination and joining the staff there, did you continue to do investigative journalism and writing?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  I really did stop writing for many years. I left <em>The Chicago Tribune</em> at the end of 1981, and stopped writing for almost a decade. I was editor of a newspaper in Missouri and later became managing editor of a string of newspapers in Illinois, so I was editing a lot of other people&rsquo;s stories, but I really didn&rsquo;t feel compelled to write.<br /> <br /> It wasn&rsquo;t until years later that I wrote my first Christian book, which was <em>Inside the Minds of Unchurched Harry and Mary</em>, in the early 1990s. That was the first thingmesss I had written in a long time. I found out that what I really love about writing books is that people in China could be reading them while you are asleep. They can have a worldwide impact, and by God&rsquo;s grace &ldquo;The Case&rdquo; series of books is approaching 10 million copies. That&rsquo;s a ministry I don&rsquo;t think I could ever have accomplished had I not written.<br /> <br /> So now my passion is writing and speaking. I find that these films are a new way to communicate. These documentaries are a way to reach people who may not want to wade through a120,000 word book.<br /> <br /> <em>Was the series your idea, or did someone approach you about the rights?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  A guy named Lad Allen with Illustra Media interviewed me for some documentaries they were doing and we got to know each other. They proposed doing some films based on <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1945">The Case for Christ</a>, <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1576">The Case for a Creator</a> and <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2420">The Case for Faith</a>.<br /> <br /> They are a non-profit group that does excellent work. Because I trusted him and his team and they promised to be faithful to the book and let me be involved in the production, I said, &ldquo;OK, let&rsquo;s try it,&rdquo; and we did.<br /> <br /> The amazing thing was that after the first one came out (The Case for a Creator), Lionsgate Films, which is a major Hollywood distributor and had never done a faith-based film before, saw it and loved it. They wanted to do all three films, and it was the first time Lionsgate ventured into the faith market.<br /> <br /> We were thrilled with that because it meant that the film would be available everywhere and hopefully reach people who would otherwise never have heard of the book, let alone be motivated to read it.<br /> <br /> <em>It&rsquo;s always interesting to hear how satisfied the author is with a film. How were you able to translate the book into a film to your satisfaction?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  We tried to be careful that we didn&rsquo;t bite off more than we could chew. For instance, in <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2420">The Case for Faith</a>, the book deals with eight major objections to Christianity. We knew we couldn&rsquo;t do justice to all eight objections in an 80-minute film. People would say it was too superficial, and it would be irresponsible to raise those issues and not adequately answer them.<br /> <br /> So we decided to go with the two biggest, which are the ones that are the obstacles in most people&rsquo;s spiritual journeys. I think it&rsquo;s a good thing because we could deal with those two topics in great death.<br /> <br /> As a print person, I&rsquo;ve been amazed at the ways in which film has been able to add an emotional undercurrent to these films by communicating at a very powerful level. When I first saw The Case for Faith film after it was done, I cried three times when I watched it. It&rsquo;s so moving when it talks about real-life cases of people who have suffered greatly and yet found God in the midst of it. It&rsquo;s so affirming and so moving that I was emotionally hit by it. <br /> <br /> It&rsquo;s difficult to do that in a book. The Bible balances truth in love, and I find books to be really good on the truth side, but a film often reaches a balance of love and truth. It has the possibility of communicating the emotion of both at once. It balances those two values very well. I&rsquo;ve been extremely happy with the way these films came out.<br /> <br /> One of the things we&rsquo;re doing that I think is very exciting is we&rsquo;re creating curriculum from these films. We&rsquo;ve finished The Case for Christ and The Case for a Creator and have published those recently. The Case for Faith curriculum will come out a little later.<br /> <br /> These are available for small groups or Sunday School classes, even for families. There&rsquo;s a participant&rsquo;s guide and all this new material we shot in Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, Illinois and Michigan. It&rsquo;s new material where I introduce and set up the issue for the day. Then you watch a scene from the film and there&rsquo;s a series of discussion questions. You watch a second scene from the film and there are more discussion questions. Then I wrap it up at the end with some new material.<br /> <br /> I&rsquo;m really thrilled with the way this has come out. It can be used as outreach also to invite your spiritually curious friends to sit down and watch it together and go through that guided experience.<br /> <br /> <em>As someone who came to faith as an adult, how important is it that you became spiritually curious, and not just that your wife tried to convert you?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  She admits going overboard a few times and leaving Bible verses around the house, or books open to certain pages on the coffee table and things like that. That wasn&rsquo;t particularly helpful.<br /> <br /> My curiosity was fostered and generated by her authentic walk with Christ and how it changed her values and character. I was impressed by that and wanted to get to the bottom of it and understand it. That&rsquo;s what really got me curious about whether or not God was really real. She said that He was and He was changing her life.<br /> <br /> I saw her life changing but I didn&rsquo;t believe in God, so there was a disconnect there. That&rsquo;s what made me curious.<br /> <em><br /> There&rsquo;s an additional resource mentioned in the films called &ldquo;Off My Case for Kids.&rdquo; Can you describe that?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  We produced four books for children: &ldquo;The Case for Christ for Kids,&rdquo; &ldquo;The Case for a Creator for Kids,&rdquo; &ldquo;The Case for Faith for Kids,&rdquo; and &ldquo;Off My Case for Kids.&rdquo; It&rsquo;s a fun book. It&rsquo;s a series of stories for kids in which kids go through a variety of situations involving faith, their friends, and people who may challenge their faith in God.<br /> <br /> It helps them think through how they would react and what they would say if they got into a conversation with a friend. So it&rsquo;s very child-friendly. It&rsquo;s done in their world and with their experiences. It&rsquo;s almost like a little evangelism book for kids, helping them see situations and recognize how they can reach out with the love of Christ to their playmates. It was a fun little book.<br /> <br /> <em>Are there any current projects you&rsquo;re working on?</em><br /> <br /> <strong>Lee</strong>:  I&rsquo;m working on a novel. My daughter is a novelist and she has two books she&rsquo;s published. It sort of encouraged me to say that novels can reach people who won&rsquo;t read a non-fiction book or watch a DVD. So I&rsquo;m trying to take the Christian message and communicate it to different audiences.<br /> <br /> I&rsquo;m in the middle of it, and it&rsquo;s kind of a John Grisham novel and I&rsquo;m having the time of my life! I&rsquo;m having a blast writing this thing, and I&rsquo;m a little disappointed that I&rsquo;m 56 years old and just finding out that I love to write fiction. But it&rsquo;s a lot of fun and hopefully God willing it will come out some time next year from Zondervan.<br /> <br /> It&rsquo;s been fun to discover something late in life that I really enjoy doing.</p>
<p>&copy;2008 ChristianCinema.com</p>
<p>Angela Walker is Executive Editor for ChristianCinema.com, your source for faith-affirming and family-approved entertainment. She gets to know the person behind the cameras while gaining an inside look at the process of movie-making. More news and exclusive interviews with today's top filmmakers and Christians in Cinema can be found at http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/newsdesk.php.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content></entry><entry><title>Cloud Ten Pictures Coming on Strong</title><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/24/cloud-ten-pictures-coming-on-strong.html</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/24/cloud-ten-pictures-coming-on-strong.html"/><author><name>CN</name></author><published>2008-11-24T18:21:30Z</published><updated>2008-11-24T18:21:30Z</updated><content type="html" xml:lang="en-US"><![CDATA[<p>Cloud Ten Pictures Coming on Strong</p>
<p>By Angela Walker</p>
<p>Founded by brothers Peter and Paul Lalonde, <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=49_50">Cloud Ten Pictures</a> is best known for their development and production of the <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1137">Left Behind film series</a>. Called &ldquo;one of the most successful indie-studios in the English speaking world,&rdquo; Cloud Ten has consistently produced successful films for the faith-affirming and family-friendly market, including their initial offering the <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2503">Apocalypse series</a>.</p>
<p>Due to a legal dispute that began in 2000, the company has had limited development and production of any original films until this year. In August of this year, the lawsuit was settled, and Cloud Ten was able to re-focus their energies on production and acquisition of new films.</p>
<p>&ldquo;A huge burden has been lifted,&rdquo; says <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/newsdesk_info.php?newsdesk_id=739">CEO Andre Van Heerden</a>, &ldquo;and we can now get back to the great commission: reaching, challenging and inspiring others through the universal and dramatic medium of film.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Van Heerden has been with Cloud Ten since its beginning, and has written, directed or produced seven of Cloud Ten&rsquo;s features. &ldquo;Those films have collectively sold more than 12 million copies and van Heerden is well-known and respected within the Christian film community,&rdquo; said Chairman and co-founder Paul Lalonde.</p>
<p>As part of the company&rsquo;s restructuring, Cloud Ten created a new arm called &ldquo;Cloud Ten Church Cinemas,&rdquo; through which they will release all of their upcoming films to churches before going out to the general public. Based on their past success with this model, they plan to premiere one new film in churches every three to four months.</p>
<p>This year, Cloud Ten released three new films: <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2431">Smuggler&rsquo;s Ransom</a> and <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2467">The Genius Club</a>, which they acquired from other production entities, and their own <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2477">Saving God</a>.</p>
<p>Currently in development for Cloud Ten are the films &ldquo;Dirk and the Devil,&rdquo; Camp Eden,&rdquo; and &ldquo;Apocalypse V: Redemption.&rdquo;</p>
<p>&copy;2008 ChristianCinema.com</p>
<p>Angela Walker is Executive Editor for ChristianCinema.com, your source for faith-affirming and family-approved entertainment. She gets to know the person behind the cameras while gaining an inside look at the process of movie-making. More news and exclusive interviews with today's top filmmakers and Christians in Cinema can be found at http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/newsdesk.php.</p>]]></content></entry><entry><title>New Christian Film "To the Wall" Shooting in Southern California</title><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/24/new-christian-film-to-the-wall-shooting-in-southern-californ.html</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/24/new-christian-film-to-the-wall-shooting-in-southern-californ.html"/><author><name>CN</name></author><published>2008-11-24T18:20:13Z</published><updated>2008-11-24T18:20:13Z</updated><content type="html" xml:lang="en-US"><![CDATA[<p><span class="full-image-float-right ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/111608_BaldwinS.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1227550849578" alt="" /></span></span>New Christian Film "To the Wall" Shooting in Southern California</p>
<p>By Angela Walker</p>
<p>Principal photography began November 3 for &ldquo;To the Wall,&rdquo; a new movie from Oakwater Films produced in association with PureFlix Entertainment. &ldquo;To the Wall&rdquo; is written and directed by Carey Scott.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/newsdesk_info.php?newsdesk_id=326">David A.R. White</a> (<a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=33">Mercy Streets</a>, <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1674">Hidden Secrets</a>) as Wayne and <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/newsdesk_info.php?newsdesk_id=244">Kevin Downes</a> (<a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1672">Thr3e</a>, <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1766">The Moment After 1 &amp; 2</a>) as John Paul George are two strangers who take one journey to find their fathers who fought together in Vietnam. Candace Cameron Bure (Full House, <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1808">The Wager</a>) co-stars as Cynthia, John Paul&rsquo;s fianc&eacute;e, who is concerned that his journey will get in the way of their wedding, which is only three weeks away.<br /> <br /> Stephen Baldwin <em>(seen at right)</em> (<a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=511">SIX</a>, <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1882">Midnight Clear</a>, <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2467">The Genius Club</a>) also co-stars as Sergeant Mansfield, the fathers&rsquo; platoon leader in Vietnam. Also joining the cast is Rebecca St. James as Annie, an Australian hitchhiker who meets Wayne and John Paul on their journey &ldquo;To the Wall.&rdquo;<br /> <br /> Just weeks before his wedding, John Paul discovers that his father, whom he never knew, wrote him letters from Vietnam. Longing to learn more about him, John Paul finds Wayne, the son of his dad&rsquo;s war buddy, who also died during the war. As they set out to visit the Vietnam Wall, Wayne gives John Paul his dad&rsquo;s letters one at a time. In his letters, John Paul finds healing for the wounds he suffered growing up without a father and healing for the pain of abandonment.<br /> <br /> Through their journey, John Paul and Wayne discover that God wants to be the father they never knew.<br /> <br /> &ldquo;To the Wall&rdquo; is planned for a nationwide theatrical release in September of 2009.</p>
<p>&copy;2008 ChristianCinema.com</p>
<p>Angela Walker is Executive Editor for ChristianCinema.com, your source for faith-affirming and family-approved entertainment. She gets to know the person behind the cameras while gaining an inside look at the process of movie-making. More news and exclusive interviews with today's top filmmakers and Christians in Cinema can be found at http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/newsdesk.php.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content></entry><entry><title>Interview with filmmakers of "Pray the Devil Back to Hell" - about Liberian peace initiative</title><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/24/interview-with-filmmakers-of-pray-the-devil-back-to-hell-abo.html</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/24/interview-with-filmmakers-of-pray-the-devil-back-to-hell-abo.html"/><author><name>CN</name></author><published>2008-11-24T18:16:55Z</published><updated>2008-11-24T18:16:55Z</updated><content type="html" xml:lang="en-US"><![CDATA[<p>One of the most stunning and inspiring films I saw this last year is &ldquo;Pray the Devil Back to Hell.&rdquo; The filmmakers tell the story of a group of women in Liberia who, in 2003, were instrumental in bringing peace and democratic elections to their country. What makes this situation even more unusual is that the women were Christians and Muslims who put aside their differences to pray for their nation.</p>
<p>I had the privilege of talking with Abigail Disney (producer), Gini Reticker (director) and Leymah Gbowee (activist) so I could share their story with you.</p>
<p>Leymah, what changes have you observed in the relationships between Christians and Muslims in Liberia since the events of the film?</p>
<p>Leymah:<span> </span>There have been a lot of changes. Previously, we didn&rsquo;t have an overt kind of hostility toward the other [religions]. It was little tensions at every little opportunity where we gathered. But today what you see is better understanding of the other&rsquo;s faith because of our sitting and talking together. We interacted for 3 years.</p>
<p>What you also have is a period where previously Muslim were open to coming to the funeral of a Christian women, and the Christian women were a bit hesitant to go to any gathering of bereavement of a Muslim person. But today there&rsquo;s a marriage or a funeral what you have is women rallying around the other. It&rsquo;s almost like that barrier, and barriers of prejudice about religion that used to keep women apart, have been broken.</p>
<p>Currently we can just come together and do things together without any questioning of the faith of the other person.</p>
<p>When we started working with these women it was a deliberate attempt to break that negative picture of religion that had been moving about the entire world. Even in our little community, we targeted these two groups for sustained engagement to really bring about a change. We wanted to see a change in the opinion of each other&rsquo;s faith and a change in the perception of the world that Christians and Muslims are archenemies.</p>
<p>What are some of the valuable lessons you learned that you would tell other women who want to experience something similar in their own countries?</p>
<p>Leymah:<span> </span>The first thing we learned is that peace activism is a costly process. When we got involved in the work, we got involved without any thought of the cost of what we were doing. In terms of finances, it was costing us in US dollars $500 a day, and for a country like Liberia, that&rsquo;s a lot of money.</p>
<p>Emotionally, you want to get involved in non-political activism where you are engaging fighters and warlords. A lot of us weren&rsquo;t prepared to encounter the killers of our relatives, so that was another costly effect of the work that we did.</p>
<p>The second thing we learned is something that is a global phenomenon. Women&rsquo;s issues usually tend to get the dregs of funding. We have a local drink [Pamwae], and at the bottom of it you find dead flies, dirt, and all kinds of things. We usually refer to the funding women get for the work they do as the dregs of [Pamwae].</p>
<p>It&rsquo;s almost like after all of the money has been spread out to the dominantly male issues then someone will remember that these women need $5000 here to do something.</p>
<p>The final lesson we learned is that perseverance, being focused and having a simple message really paid off.</p>
<p>When Gini and Abby first approached you in New York, what was your response to their request to make a movie about this experience?</p>
<p>Leymah:<span> </span>I don&rsquo;t recall them saying that they wanted to make a film. They wanted to verify a story that they had heard in Liberia about women banding together. I had seen so many people come over the last 3 years and ask me the same questions they asked me with the hope they would go back and help us raise money for the work we do, or help raise awareness about some of the issues we&rsquo;re faced with.</p>
<p>But once they got their story and once they got their information, we never saw them. So I was a bit skeptical that anything good could come from my interaction with Gini and Abby.</p>
<p>Abby, you heard the story first in Liberia, correct?</p>
<p>Abby:<span> </span>Yes. I had gone to Liberia in support of President Surleaf, who had been elected. A lot of women in the United States were very excited about her election, so a group of us went to Liberia to see what we could do to support her as President.</p>
<p>The by-product of being there was hearing this story in the air. It wasn&rsquo;t written anywhere, and there was nothing documented about it, but people still talked about it and sort of referred to it. It was difficult to really get to the bottom of what exactly had happened because it was all oral. It was all just story.</p>
<p>It seemed to me that it was in the process of being forgotten. I could see it happening in front of my eyes, and that was what moved me so much. If it were true what these women had done, it was absolutely criminal to just let it fall away. I remember being a little girl and looking at the cover of Life Magazine and seeing the photograph of a man at the lunch counter in Greensboro having the chocolate milkshake poured over his head. It was such a moving photograph of his face. There were incredibly complex emotions and courage in his face, and I remember being so changed by that photograph.</p>
<p>As I thought about it, I thought, &ldquo;Someone was there with a camera. Someone chose to frame the photograph, to note the courage.&rdquo; And someone else above that person chose to put that photograph on the cover of Time Magazine. Those were decisions that had the capacity, as they did for me, to change and move people. You change history by changing people, so it seemed possible in this case to take a match to this incredible courage and integrity and hold it up to the world.</p>
<p>Before producing this film, did you have any previous filmmaking experience?</p>
<p>Abby:<span> </span>No. I&rsquo;m a newbie. I&rsquo;ve offered some financial support to other films before, but I&rsquo;ve never done a production from soup to nuts, so this was a great experience. I feel like I&rsquo;ve come to making a film in the right way and for all the right reasons because the story found me.</p>
<p>The story really fit into what I already knew with the rest of my work in social justice issues and grassroots organizing. These were women that were familiar to me in a lot of ways. I&rsquo;ve met a lot of women who do things not necessarily in combat zones, but similar kinds of work in terms of building communities and building peace.</p>
<p>In some ways, I was either going to make a movie or I was going to explode. I felt like I had to tell the world what I was seeing every day in these courageous people that I knew and worked with. So this was a beginning for me, and it&rsquo;s why I was so lucky to join forces with Gini.</p>
<p>We had been friends in the past and had lost touch with each other. Then we kind of re-found each other at this moment when I was going around and around in my head about how somebody should make this film. Gini has been an incredible pleasure to work with because she has been a great teammate and partner in this. It&rsquo;s been my Ph.D in filmmaking, along with the rewards of having a film that is really getting embraced by people.</p>
<p>Gini, what was your response when Abby came to you about this film?</p>
<p>Gini:<span> </span>I was scared a little bit, partially because of all the stories that I had heard coming out of Liberia. I knew a lot of really awful stories and depressing stories about horrible human rights abuse. As a documentary filmmaker, you really live the material and try to get inside people&rsquo;s heads.</p>
<p>You dream it, you sleep it, you watch it, and that&rsquo;s all you can think about. So I was really concerned about it. Could I really stand to think about that kind of material for so long? So, I cautiously said &ldquo;yes,&rdquo; but once I met Leymah, I realized it wasn&rsquo;t the kind of story I&rsquo;d heard before [about Liberia]. It was a completely different story, and unbelievable story about women coming together.</p>
<p>In terms of faith, I actually come from a very strong Catholic background. I&rsquo;m kind of a lapsed Catholic who grew up during the time of Vatican II and the ecumenical council and people really coming together. I grew up in a household where there were always different kinds of people coming together around their faith, and I saw a lot of really good people do a lot of really good things.</p>
<p>One of the things I&rsquo;ve heard Leymah say is that it&rsquo;s been horrible to watch evil people take religion and hijack it and use it for their own nefarious goals. Leymah&rsquo;s story was one that I thought I grew up hearing about, that it was what faith was supposed to mean to people, so I was very happy to be working on it.</p>
<p>After having worked with Leymah and the other ladies, how was your faith affected?</p>
<p>Gini:<span> </span>Leymah is convinced that by the end of this road, I&rsquo;ll be back in the faith. To be really honest, I don&rsquo;t really think about it. I live in a very ecumenical household. My husband is Jewish, my daughter&rsquo;s Jewish, and I believe it plays a very positive role in people&rsquo;s lives. I&rsquo;m glad people are doing it in a way that I thought [faith] could be done.</p>
<p>Abby:<span> </span>I&rsquo;ve been telling Leymah that I&rsquo;m either going to stop calling them &ldquo;coincidences&rdquo; or I&rsquo;m going to back to church, because there&rsquo;s been entirely too much grace attached to the film. I&rsquo;m not a person who ever fell away from faith, but I fell away from faith practice. I am so proud of this film because of the way that it posits faith and religion as parts of the answer and not part of the problem.</p>
<p>I think that is the most important way to move forward in the world, and I love listening to and learning from Leymah every single day.</p>
<p>Can you talk about the approach you took to the production of the film? It was a great mixture of graphics, archival and live footage and interviews.</p>
<p>Gini:<span> </span>The first thing I was committed to was letting the women tell their own stories in their own voices because they needed no one to speak for them. I also was really committed to shooting the images in a way that the women looked as beautiful as I know that they are.</p>
<p>A lot of times people in Africa are portrayed as victims and somehow &ldquo;other,&rdquo; but I&rsquo;m really interested in human beings and what makes us the same, as opposed to what makes us different. So I really wanted them to look beautiful and I wanted the women to speak for themselves. That was a starting point.</p>
<p>I did a lot of research. We did a preliminary trip to Liberia where we gathered together many women who had taken part in the actions and from that grouping I got all their stories. Then I pieced together a timeline from that, and read as much as I could about it. I got a lot of material that had not yet been published and put together another timeline and placed the women&rsquo;s stories into that timeline.</p>
<p>Then we went back and did the interviews. The first person I interviewed was Leymah, and it was a 6-hour interview because I made her tell me about everything that I read about. It was a war that lasted 14 years. Unfortunately in the editing, it was too hard to tell the whole story because 14 years is a long time.</p>
<p>A lot of the women were very dynamic and had incredible personal stories, but I wasn&rsquo;t able to include all of them because I had to stick with the central narrative. We gathered archival footage from wherever we could. One of the things that has come up is that it was very easy to find archival footage of boys with guns, but very difficult to find archival footage of the women in the fields.</p>
<p>Again, that image of a 10-year-old boy with a gun perpetuates the notions we have [about Africa], and is kind of seductive in a sense. We found archival footage of the women confronting [dictator] Charles Taylor from a guy who actually worked for Taylor. We scoured everywhere we could to find footage.</p>
<p>Then we went out in a field one day ourselves and we shot the women in the church one day and kind of intercut it all. So the editing was really an enormous process.</p>
<p>The film has a very good flow and is very cohesive. Once the movie was complete, Abby, what were your goals, and where do you want to see it go from here?</p>
<p>Abby:<span> </span>The advice I give to everybody now is to find a way to line up what you want because you&rsquo;re selfish with what the world needs, because I feel no shame for just wanting to get this film out to as many people and places as possible, so I don&rsquo;t have to be embarrassed for being a huckster.</p>
<p>From the very beginning I very firmly believed this was a film that had a message for people everywhere in the world. To prove my hypothesis, before it was even finished, I took the film to Srebrenica in Bosnia to women who had survived the massacre. Their reaction was so emotional and charged. I could see that it was a catharsis in some ways.</p>
<p>In some cases it was re-traumatizing for some of the women and I worried about that. But it was amazing how, in the discussion afterward, it circled around the catharsis for a while but then came to a question of &ldquo;What are we going to do?&rdquo;</p>
<p>The more we sent or took it to places, the more that became the almost-constant theme. There was a feeling of catharsis, then the wonder about what we are going to do.</p>
<p>In Georgia, the women wrote up a position statement as soon as the film was over. I took it a few weeks ago to Sudan and showed it to women all over Sudan, to Christian and Muslim women in Darfur, and they stayed for 2 &frac12; hours afterward to talk about it. These were young women, and by the end they were determined to get a million women to sign the statement for peace in Darfur.</p>
<p>The importance is that you can see how easy it was to get footage of the boys shooting each other, and how difficult it was to get the footage of the women protesting for peace. There are enormous forces militating against the visibility of this kind of effort. But when we make these women visible to each other, when we make ourselves visible to each other and show our enormous capacity to bring about change, it unlocks something in all of us to move the world to make change in a better way.</p>
<p>I was so happy to make a contribution in Sudan. Not going and saying I&rsquo;m the one who knows it all and standing in a country and saying &ldquo;I know how to do it,&rdquo; but making an offering to these people of an example of some extraordinary people. Look at this, watch it, see it, and tell me what it makes you want to do.</p>
<p>I know that people have capacity. It&rsquo;s all there in all of us. It&rsquo;s a question of finding our courage, our motivation, our strategy. It&rsquo;s a question of unlocking.</p>
<p>Leymah, besides the results of the film, what other changes have you seen take place in your country?</p>
<p>Leymah:<span> </span>We&rsquo;ve seen a higher enrollment rate of girls in school and women in adult literacy programs and other skill empowerment programs. We&rsquo;re also seeing a women who used to be suppressed and oppressed now speaking out for their involvement in community development initiatives and other things.</p>
<p>It&rsquo;s been a whole revolution in waves sweeping across the country of women really standing up. Someone did a set of interviews with some of the women in the communities that were really hard-hit. They were saying that first they were victims, then they stepped out as advocates for peace, and now they are strong women because of their involvement in the peace process.</p>
<p>It&rsquo;s almost like from victim to warrior to victor.</p>
<p>As someone who lives in a city with warring gangs, I wondered about the effect this film might have on the families of gang members.</p>
<p>Gini:<span> </span>I would think it would be a wonderful thing to set up a screening there. It&rsquo;s something we&rsquo;ve heard from many communities, and it&rsquo;s been on my mind for quite a while.</p>
<p>Abby:<span> </span>That&rsquo;s exactly the kind of screening we need to set up, and it&rsquo;s exactly where this film needs to play.</p>
<p>Gini, as the director and filmmaker, how committed are you to continuing on with this project? Are you working on other things, or do you find your direction has changed some?</p>
<p>Gini:<span> </span>I&rsquo;ve been on a trajectory of interest in women&rsquo;s issues, so in some ways it&rsquo;s not a huge change for me. On another level, I hadn&rsquo;t thought very much about the role of women in conflict, and now I find myself thinking about it all the time. It&rsquo;s been the inspiration for Abby and I to do a 4-part series on public television on women, war and peace.</p>
<p>We&rsquo;ve gotten public television to commit to a series that will be 5 hours. &ldquo;Pray the Devil Back to Hell&rdquo; will be the kick-off for the series, and it will be on in 2010.</p>
<p>Abby:<span> </span>It&rsquo;s a logical continuation of what we&rsquo;ve been doing, and it makes so much sense.</p>
<p>Gini:<span> </span>We&rsquo;re still in the development stage, and we&rsquo;re committed to showing conflicts around the world and women&rsquo;s roles in them. Not just in Africa, but to show how this story is being played out, whether it&rsquo;s in Bosnia, or Colombia, or Burma. All over the world we&rsquo;ll see the same stories happening.</p>
<p>Where did the film&rsquo;s title come from?</p>
<p>Abby:<span> </span>Leymah at one point said that Charles Taylor was so religious he could pray the devil out of hell, and we kind of ripped on that.</p>
<p>Gini:<span> </span>It felt like what the women did was pray the devil back to hell because that spirit was roaming freely over all of Liberia, and the country had lost its way. The women came together to pray that back to hell.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content></entry><entry><title>Interview with author, interviewer, producer Mark Joseph (Passion of the Christ soundtrack, Chronicles of Narnia)</title><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/8/interview-with-author-interviewer-producer-mark-joseph-passi.html</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/8/interview-with-author-interviewer-producer-mark-joseph-passi.html"/><author><name>CN</name></author><published>2008-11-08T05:09:13Z</published><updated>2008-11-08T05:09:13Z</updated><content type="html" xml:lang="en-US"><![CDATA[<p><span class="full-image-float-right ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/110408mjm.lking.sepiasm.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1226121053356" alt="" /></span></span>Mark Joseph hosted a television show for CNN, produced the soundtrack for <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1652">The Passion of the Christ</a>, developed and marketed film properties such as <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1382">The Chronicles of Narnia</a>, and most recently wrote a book, &ldquo;Sarah Barracuda: The Rise of Sarah Palin.&rdquo;</p>
<p>As a culture-watcher, he presides over the Bully! Pulpit brand, which includes a publishing arm, a news aggregate website, a record label, speaker&rsquo;s bureau, and a film development and production division. A much sought after media consultant, he gave some time recently to talk about the release of his book about Palin, cultural developments and the future of Bully! Pulpit.</p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><em>You recently wrote a book about vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. Rumor has it you wrote that in two weeks?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:<span> </span></strong>From the day I started writing to the day it was released, it was a 30-day process. I had been watching her speeches and I was a little surprised by her debut at the Republican National Convention. I thought she did a pretty good job and that it might be something of a cultural phenomenon. I&rsquo;m always on the lookout for something unusual and extraordinary.</p>
<p>In 1988, former Governor Ann Richards of Texas gave a speech at the Democratic Convention that was a lot like Palin&rsquo;s. It was kind of sarcastic and making fun of her opponents, having a good time up there.</p>
<p>I thought [Palin&rsquo;s speech] was kind of a watershed moment. This is a person that is going to be around, win or lose. Just on a lark, I happened to write my literary agent and say, &ldquo;Someone should do a Palin book? What do you think?&rdquo;</p>
<p>My agent wrote back and asked, &ldquo;Well, how fast can you write it?&rdquo;</p>
<p>Books usually take a lifetime, but there was no time for this one. Immediately, he challenged me to go find a cave and write. So I cleared my schedule for quite awhile and I just began to write and research, and was able to put it together pretty quickly. I don&rsquo;t recommend it, but it happened.</p>
<p>I tried to find my voice, which is more to be a navigator and truly be fair. I didn&rsquo;t want to push her candidacy necessarily, but was interested in her story enough to want to tell it. I gathered a lot of great sources, and a team of researchers here in my office, as well as design people, and put it out really quickly.</p>
<p>It really all began with two articles; one that I wrote for The Huffington Post, and one for FoxNews.com. That&rsquo;s what got me started.</p>
<p>I spend a chapter and a half talking about Palin&rsquo;s faith, and I think it&rsquo;s very interesting that she comes from a Pentecostal background. She was at a Pentecostal church for 30-some years, and Pentecostals haven&rsquo;t been very influential in politics as a whole. If she were to become vice president, or run in the future and make it, she&rsquo;d be the highest-ranking Pentecostal in history. I think John Ashcroft is the current record-holder as Attorney General.</p>
<p>I haven&rsquo;t seen a lot of Pentecostal effect on politics, so this is a new thing for that entire movement. So it&rsquo;s ground-breaking in addition to her being a woman.</p>
<p>As a member of the Assembly of God church, she&rsquo;s an &ldquo;evangelical plus.&rdquo; If you watch the YouTube videos where she&rsquo;s being prayed over, which we transcribed for the book, this is not a boilerplate Evangelical prayer. It&rsquo;s a little bit more. It&rsquo;s people who expect God to act a little more directly than the typical Evangelical does.</p>
<p>There&rsquo;s a Kenyan pastor who prays very specifically over her. He&rsquo;s not praying just &ldquo;Thy will be done,&rdquo; but he&rsquo;s asking God to move heaven and earth, bring resources, staff to her, and basically, to win. That&rsquo;s more of a Charismatic or Pentecostal outlook of really moving the hands of God through prayer in very specific ways.</p>
<p>Fortunately for her, there were no YouTube videos of her being prayed over in tongues because that would have been very difficult to explain to an Evangelical or to a non-Christian.</p>
<p><em>The cover has a &ldquo;Rosie-the-Riveter&rdquo; look &ndash; an icon from World War II. What was the idea behind that?</em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:</strong><span> </span>I wanted to take the most iconic art from the last century that signified the power of women. I have four daughters and I lined them up to watch when she was nominated. They&rsquo;re ages 2 &ndash; 8, so not that they&rsquo;re young Republicans, or anything, but I wanted them to see that moment because they weren&rsquo;t around for Geraldine Ferraro in 1984.</p>
<p>I wanted them to see that women are worthwhile and valuable, and that this was a mom of 5 who was doing this. Again, I don&rsquo;t necessarily want them to be President, or astronauts, or physicists, or whatever, but I wanted them to see a positive female role model who had done this.</p>
<p>So I wanted to find the most powerful picture possible. A picture of a woman marching in the &lsquo;60s is not as powerful as that picture. She&rsquo;s a woman whose husband has gone off to war and she&rsquo;s being called upon to perform an extraordinary task: go into a plant and help create the military hardware her husband is going to use overseas.</p>
<p>That ability to pivot is powerful. In 1940, she&rsquo;s a wife with a husband and a nice house, and two years later, she pivots and transitions into being a symbol of power working at a plant. I had a great artist who took the original Rosie and worked in some of Palin&rsquo;s features.</p>
<p><em>You&rsquo;ve written about women&rsquo;s groups who have not supported Palin, even though they want women in powerful positions. Have you reached any conclusions about that?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:</strong><span> </span>I think the only conclusion I could come to is that probably their mission statements need to be amended. One in particular was a group called The White House Project. Their mission statement essentially says that women need to be in positions of power and we need to help them get there because just by being there, they help change the debate and things become better because they&rsquo;re there.</p>
<p>And obviously, the National Organization for Women, you&rsquo;d think is about advancing women to positions of power. But their reaction to Palin has shown that it really isn&rsquo;t about a woman being in a position of power. It&rsquo;s really about more of their philosophical beliefs being reflected. If a woman happens to carry their beliefs, that&rsquo;s a bonus for them.</p>
<p>So, maybe they should be more clear that they&rsquo;re not about advancing women per se, but advancing what they believe, or advancing a candidate that they believe understands their viewpoint of the issues affecting women, even if that candidate is a man.</p>
<p>If Ted Kennedy were running against Sarah Palin, I believe they would take Ted Kennedy&rsquo;s side because they perceive that he addresses women&rsquo;s issues as they want them addressed better than she does. That&rsquo;s different from the notions of the stated objectives of The White House Project.</p>
<p><em>Did you have the chance to talk with her personally?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:</strong><span> </span>I didn&rsquo;t. She had just been nominated. I certainly tried, but it was just too difficult. I totally understood. She had an election to run, and mine was just a lowly book. I did my best to work around that and get my information from other sources.</p>
<p><em>As a watcher of politics and culture, did you have an idea this nomination was coming?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:</strong><span> </span>I did. I have a friend who reminded me that I had told him about Palin. I didn&rsquo;t think that McCain had the kind of imagination to pick her.</p>
<p>My book begins with the whole story of how she was picked, and how McCain really wanted his buddy Joseph Lieberman to be vice president. I don&rsquo;t think they did a good job of vetting her properly, of going into her background or preparing her because they really couldn&rsquo;t. McCain had his heart set on Lieberman, and his aides finally convinced him that he couldn&rsquo;t pick Lieberman or the Republican Convention would revolt and turn him down.</p>
<p>I think that&rsquo;s when he decided, &ldquo;Ok, give me that Palin woman.&rdquo; That was four or five days before he announced it. There had always been some minimal vetting going on. A staffer from the McCain campaign traveled to Alaska in May to do some basic vetting, but those last days before he announced her, they were busy Googling her, and you can&rsquo;t vet a vice presidential candidate by using Google. There are a lot of things you can find online, but much more that&rsquo;s not on the web.</p>
<p>At the same time, they couldn&rsquo;t send somebody up there or it would tip everyone off. So they were left searching on the Internet and they missed a lot of stuff.</p>
<p>I think I saw it as a possibility because I&rsquo;d been reading about her, but she hadn&rsquo;t been governor for very long, and didn&rsquo;t bring a state and Alaska is already safely Republican with just a few electoral votes.</p>
<p>I didn&rsquo;t think McCain was this much of a gambler, and he&rsquo;s proven himself to be a gambler, so I didn&rsquo;t think this was coming.</p>
<p><em>What do you see as critical moments ahead in the next days before the election?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:<span> </span></strong>I don&rsquo;t think there are any scheduled critical moments left. What happens at this point are unscheduled critical moments. I think the moment with &ldquo;Joe the Plumber&rdquo; could be a seminal moment if McCain pulls this out. I would expect the unexpected in the next few days.</p>
<p>I think McCain has run a terrible campaign, and that Obama is a very attractive candidate. McCain has this odd instinct of making friends with his enemies and making enemies out of his friends.</p>
<p>I think right now he&rsquo;s torn between really going after it and winning this thing, or trying to lose gracefully so he can still be in the Senate and have people like him. It&rsquo;s a battle going on in his soul.</p>
<p>The reason we have politics is so we won&rsquo;t shoot each other. I think the more we turn politics into &ldquo;Pattycakes,&rdquo; the more danger there is of us shooting each other later. The more that political campaigns can be tough, a little mean, but still civil, then when the campaign ends, everybody feels like all their issues were on the table and they can suffer through the other guy who was elected.</p>
<p>But if this campaign goes on and McCain loses, the Conservatives are going to be very angry because their candidate left so many issues off the table because he thought they were mean. We can fight with words during the election or with weapons after, and the more we can have good, tough, honest debates, the better off we are.</p>
<p>Carter called Reagan some nasty names during their race. He said that Reagan would divide Jew from Gentile, rich from poor, and some other horrible things. Reagan took it with a smile and shot right back at him. He asked, &ldquo;Are you better off now than you were four years ago,&rdquo; and they had a good, tough, honest debate.</p>
<p>That&rsquo;s missing here. Obama has been too gentle with McCain, and not gone some places. McCain has about 12 issues he&rsquo;s just refused to really take up, and when he does take them up, he&rsquo;s awkward about it.</p>
<p>I don&rsquo;t know why we&rsquo;re running such sissy campaigns. It&rsquo;s as old as the Republic to call each other liars. Often our political leaders would call each other liars and then go have a beer together at 5:00 PM. Somehow we&rsquo;ve become this culture that doesn&rsquo;t want to engage in vigorous debate, or when we do, we feel guilty about it like it&rsquo;s a terrible thing.</p>
<p>McCain came pretty close at the last debate, but he couldn&rsquo;t come out and say it, and I think Obama has a style that he doesn&rsquo;t like to mix it up as much.</p>
<p><em>You publish books, write them, blog for The Huffington Post, produce sound tracks, and write columns for FoxNews.com. How do these interests tie together?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:</strong><span> </span>I&rsquo;m creating a brand called Bully! Pulpit, and it has a tagline of Pop Culture, Politics and Faith. I think that pretty much summarizes the things that I really love and am interested in and motivated to know more about. I&rsquo;ve always been very influenced by media, and so I see media and telling stories as a great way to influence one another.</p>
<p>I think that sadly, &ldquo;religious people&rdquo; (applied to various religions) who are very devout, pastors, teachers, etc., have somehow lost sight of the power of stories to convince people of things. Stories can shed new light, put issues in a new perspective, and allow us to rethink some of our convictions.</p>
<p>That&rsquo;s why I&rsquo;ve always been passionate about stories, because my opinion can be altered or affected by a great story. I can receive new insights from a great story.</p>
<p>There&rsquo;s a great story in the Bible about how Nathan the prophet shows David his sin. He could have come at him in an apologetic way through discussing a verse in the Torah or a command in Leviticus. He might have been effective, but he might not have. He might have created a more defensive posture in David, who could have tried to justify what he had done.</p>
<p>Instead, he tells that great story, and David is able to see in another story his own situation, and he immediately realizes what he&rsquo;s done wrong. It&rsquo;s an amazing model. It doesn&rsquo;t mean it&rsquo;s the only thing you ever do. I don&rsquo;t think preachers should just tell stories, or that it&rsquo;s all about experiences.</p>
<p>But story telling gives us the ability to lower our defenses, because we have opinions on everything and we&rsquo;re going to fight back. But if you tell me a great story that gives me an analogy that shows me something about myself that I&lsquo;m lacking, that gives me room to breathe. I don&rsquo;t feel like I&rsquo;m being condemned, and I have some room to think it through. Also, it gives me a new way to look at something that I&rsquo;ve already built a defense against.</p>
<p>That&rsquo;s not to say that preachers of any religion should never spell things out explicitly, but storytellers have so much more room and more freedom with their audiences.</p>
<p>When I worked with Mel [Gibson] on The Passion of the Christ, I learned an incredible lesson from him. When preachers would come in, they would ask him things like, &ldquo;Mr. Gibson, could you put an 800 number at the end of the movie so people can call and learn more about Jesus?&rdquo; or &ldquo;Would you put up a website?&rdquo; They would have all these suggestions.</p>
<p>He would look at them in this sort of nonplussed way like they were aliens from another planet and say, &ldquo;Listen, that&rsquo;s not my job. That&rsquo;s your job. My job as the artist is to raise questions and to challenge ideas.&rdquo;</p>
<p>When he would talk about what he hoped the movie would do, he gave us the example of his attorney, who didn&rsquo;t share his faith. He watched the movie on Friday and on Monday, came back and told him he had read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. That was Mel&rsquo;s idea of success. He didn&rsquo;t say he had converted or was going to church, but Mel would often tell us that was his idea of success that he had gotten his lawyer to check out the Gospels for the first time.</p>
<p><em>You edited &ldquo;Pop Goes Religion&rdquo; by Terry Mattingly and were instrumental in encouraging him to write it. Why?</em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:</strong><span> </span>I think Terry Mattingly is one of the few writers in America that understands that dynamic of the power and influence and pop culture and why it&rsquo;s important for faith and religion issues to manifest themselves there too. What he really understood that I always admired is that pastors and preachers and teachers who don&rsquo;t understand the power of pop culture are fighting an uphill battle.</p>
<p>They have the mind of a parishioner for an hour a week, but they&rsquo;re competing against tens or hundreds of hours during that week where that person has had other ideas given to them by pop culture. He always seemed to sense the importance of that, and would scold pastors for not being up on what&rsquo;s happening in pop culture.</p>
<p><em>Who are some people you observe are shaping culture by the integration of faith and art? </em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:</strong><span> </span> I&rsquo;m not seeing a lot of people doing it well right now. I see some success on both sides. I really like Terry Mattingly&rsquo;s columns and how he writes.</p>
<p>This will surprise you, but I thought that Oliver Stone did a really good job on his &ldquo;W&rdquo; movie. I went in thinking I was going to have to sit through another two-hour &ldquo;I hate Bush&rdquo; diatribe. It wasn&rsquo;t that. He showed a lot of empathy for George W. Bush. I think I know the conclusion Oliver Stone wants me to come to, which is that George W. Bush is a nice guy, but was totally unqualified and over his head.</p>
<p>But he had enough respect for me as a viewer to put that point across very subtly. He also was not disrespectful of Bush&rsquo;s religious conversion, but handled it relatively respectfully, although I think he did it in a way that people in Manhattan will laugh, but people in Ohio will say, &ldquo;Oh, that&rsquo;s nice.&rdquo;</p>
<p>I think he&rsquo;s definitely up to something with the way he portrayed his conversion to Christianity, but nevertheless, I think there&rsquo;s a lot to learn from the way he did that movie.</p>
<p>When people are trying to convey a message about God or faith, there&rsquo;s something to be learned from Stone. He used to be more obvious and in-your-face, and over the years he&rsquo;s learned to be a little more subtle.</p>
<p>I think there are two extremes: one is to be so watered-down that you have nothing to say at the end of the day because you&rsquo;re so busy being coy. I think of U2. There were parts of their career that I believe were better than others, in terms of Bono being able to convey what he believes. You have both examples with U2. There was a period of time when they were being so coy you had no idea what they were talking about.</p>
<p>For instance, if you were to ask most Americans what the phrase &ldquo;Joshua Tree&rdquo; means, my guess is that 5% would say that it&rsquo;s a reference to the Cross, &ldquo;Joshua&rdquo; being a Hebrew way to say &ldquo;Jesus,&rdquo; and the tree an obvious reference to the cross. However, for most of the population, they&rsquo;d probably say it&rsquo;s a place in the desert in California.</p>
<p>If you&rsquo;re being so coy that no one knows what you&rsquo;re talking about, what&rsquo;s the point of it? On the other hand, at other points in his career, he wants to be more obvious, so he airbrushes in &ldquo;J33-3&rdquo; on the cover of &ldquo;All That You Can&rsquo;t Leave Behind,&rdquo; as an obvious reference to Jeremiah 33:3, a verse he calls God&rsquo;s calling card: &ldquo;call unto me and I will reveal to you great and mighty things.&rdquo;</p>
<p>I&rsquo;ve seen both cases, and somewhere in all of that, there&rsquo;s a place that I think works for both the viewer and the creator. <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1382">The Chronicles of Narnia</a>, even though I was involved with it, and have a lot of criticism of it, I think half the audience came to it and said it&rsquo;s a nice story about a lion. They may or may not go deeper. The other half sees in it what Lewis intended, that it&rsquo;s a version of Jesus. But both of those audiences can still enjoy it together.</p>
<p>A poll came out that about 48% of the Passion audience was not necessarily very devout evangelicals or Catholics, but they still came out to see the movie. I think that&rsquo;s a worthy place to aspire to: to create art that&rsquo;s meaningful and yet can be enjoyed by different people for different reasons.</p>
<p><em>From the perspective of the church, have you encountered any pastors or Christian leaders who do realize the influence of culture and are successfully utilizing it?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:<span> </span></strong>First, the basic paradigm of &ldquo;superstar pastors&rdquo; of the last few years doesn&rsquo;t tend to produce leaders from within their congregation. If you go to a pastor&rsquo;s church where he&rsquo;s a star, you&rsquo;re really there as a member to uphold his arms and help him make a bigger impact for the world.</p>
<p>I think a more interesting model is when a pastor may not be a superstar, but is raising from his congregation people who are doing good things in government, the media, the law, or garbage collection.</p>
<p>The model where the pastor writes a book and it becomes a bestseller and he becomes a star deprives that church of its proper function. I would prefer that the pastor is holding up the arms of the people of his congregation, who are then empowered to go and do good things for the world.</p>
<p>Who&rsquo;s doing it well? My guess is if a pastor is doing it well, we won&rsquo;t know his name and that there are thousands of pastors doing it well, but they&rsquo;ve never written a book and we don&rsquo;t know who they are.</p>
<p><em>What projects do you have going right now?</em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:</strong><span> </span>We have records coming out with our partner Nettwerk, our first artist is an amazing artist that I discovered last year that I&rsquo;m really proud of named Molly Jenson and books coming out through partnership with Ingram, first this Palin book and then a really cool book called &ldquo;God &amp; Bob Dylan&rdquo; and more after that. We&rsquo;re also developing a film side for theatrical and DVD releases, and will be announcing that distribution partnership soon with a large studio that will have us bringing out eight movies per year over the next three years.</p>
<p><br /> I think finally we&rsquo;re reaching the place where we can tell our stories. Some of them will be stories of faith, and some will be just great stories period. One of our first will be a great mockumentary about multi-level marketing.</p>
<p>Our news site bullypulpitnews.com is starting to develop as a kind of go-to place every day for the news. When I used to work at CNN, I tried to get my bosses to write off on a show that mixes all three-pop culture, politics and faith. This was in the 90s. The vice president of CNN told me that our viewers who want to watch politics don&rsquo;t want to watch pop culture and vice versa. I obviously disagreed, but I lost that fight.</p>
<p>Our generation really likes to mix it up. We like to be entertained but also learn about religion and politics and culture, so it&rsquo;s all mixed in together. Now we&rsquo;re seeing a lot of shows that are programmed that way.</p>
<p>Chris Matthews of &ldquo;Hardball&rdquo; loves to talk about movies. &ldquo;The Daily Show&rdquo; and &ldquo;Colbert&rdquo; are mixing things up as well.</p>
<p>Fox came along and unabashedly, unashamedly mixed it all up and CNN was caught blindsided by it. At the time I was told that their 51-year-old white male viewer wouldn&rsquo;t tune into my show. I disagreed. I said I&rsquo;d grab the 51-year-old male and other viewers as well. They did allow me to make a pilot, but it never went further than the vice president.</p>
<p>CNN was totally unprepared and when Fox came along in 1996, they cleaned CNNs clock because they completely didn&rsquo;t understand the dynamic.</p>
<p>I aspire to have Bully! Pulpit be a place where really opinionated and artistic people can give their point of view from different perspectives.</p>
<p>We&rsquo;re also developing a blog at BullyPulpit.com where I&rsquo;ll have musicians, writers, politicians, artists and producers blogging on a regular basis about different topics.</p>
<p>Another component will be a TV show where I interview a lot of folks; we have about 120 episodes in the can. I recently interviewed Paul Feig, the director of &ldquo;The Office,&rdquo; who&rsquo;s on the liberal side, and from the other side, Ann Coulter. We&rsquo;ll roll those out once a week or so. It&rsquo;s kid of a webisode version of that show that didn&rsquo;t make it on CNN.</p>
<p>I&rsquo;ve also interviewed folks like Phil Vischer of <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=306">Veggie Tales</a> and we have lots of classic episodes with guests like Larry King, Charlton Heston and others. I spend about 40 minutes interviewing people about their art and how they view the world.</p>
<p><em>What kind of advice would you give people who would like to carve out a career similar to yours?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Mark:</strong><span> </span>On a very practical note, I&rsquo;ve had lots of great friends who have opened doors for me in many ways. I got my job hosting the CNN Show because I had a friend working at the LA Times who introduced me to her friend who was producing the show.</p>
<p>I began blogging at The Huffington Post because of my friend Andrew, who was one of the people who helped start it. A friend of mine named Monty got me started writing columns for FoxNews.com.Going to work for Walden was through another friend Steve Taylor.</p>
<p>I&rsquo;ve had a lot of great friends who&rsquo;ve looked out for me, and I&rsquo;ve taken every opportunity and tried to do my best. I&rsquo;ve been blessed in that way. I wish I could say it was my genius and planning. I&rsquo;ve certainly had dreams and visions and goals, but really I&rsquo;ve been blessed by the people in my life.</p>
<p>Obviously, God guides in all our lives and that&rsquo;the biggest part of any success I might have had. But practically, it&rsquo;s really been people who have been helpful to me.</p>
<p>&copy;2008 ChristianCinema.com</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content></entry><entry><title>Interview with Ralph Reed, senior campaign adviser to Pres. George W. Bush</title><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/8/interview-with-ralph-reed-senior-campaign-adviser-to-pres-ge.html</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/8/interview-with-ralph-reed-senior-campaign-adviser-to-pres-ge.html"/><author><name>CN</name></author><published>2008-11-08T05:06:35Z</published><updated>2008-11-08T05:06:35Z</updated><content type="html" xml:lang="en-US"><![CDATA[<p><span class="full-image-float-right ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/110408Ralph_Reedsm.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1226120905184" alt="" /></span></span>Ralph Reed is chairman and CEO of a public relations and public affairs firm. He has worked on seven presidential campaigns and was senior adviser to President Bush&rsquo;s 2000 and 2004 campaigns. He was also formerly executive director of the Christian Coalition.</p>
<p>His book &ldquo;Dark Horse,&rdquo; released earlier this year, is a political thriller that reads eerily similar to events of this year&rsquo;s political campaign. He is also representing filmmakers who created a documentary about the influence of religion on politics during this campaign.</p>
<p><em>How did you transition from advising presidential campaigns to representing filmmakers?</em></p>
<p><strong>Ralph:<span> </span></strong>I got a call out of the blue one day in 1996 from Abe Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League. He and I had become friends when I was at the Christian Coalition because the ADL fights anti-Semitism and we fought anti-Christian bigotry. He asked if I would be willing to go up and meet with Jeffrey Katzenberg, CEO at DreamWorks.</p>
<p>I said, &ldquo;Sure. Why?&rdquo; He said, &ldquo;Well, he&rsquo;s doing an animated feature on the life of Moses [The Prince of Egypt], and he wants to make sure they have the story right from the standpoint of the evangelical community.&rdquo;</p>
<p>They didn&rsquo;t want to release a movie on the life of Moses and have either some Jewish rabbi or expert on the Old Testament say, &ldquo;This isn&rsquo;t true. Don&rsquo;t take your children.&rdquo; They also didn&rsquo;t want a preacher saying the same thing. So they wanted advice on the story, because you have to dramatize things. There&rsquo;s only so much in the Bible, and then you have to imagine some things.<span> </span>Just to be clear, I only advised Dreamworks informally, and was never a paid consultant on the film.</p>
<p>Ted Baehr and Michael Medved are also good friends, so that&rsquo;s how I was introduced to the world of filmmaking.</p>
<p><em>Your book &ldquo;Dark Horse&rdquo; reads as though you were writing out of today&rsquo;s newspapers. It&rsquo;s also written in a very engaging style. </em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Ralph:</strong><span> </span>When I was a kid, I wrote a lot. I started writing stories when I was probably 8 or 9 years old. I imagined these as novels, and they would be stories about creatures from another planet or something like that, and I would sit down and do these 30 &ndash; 40 page treatments. I don&rsquo;t know where that came from, but I would just imagine things. So I&rsquo;ve always written.</p>
<p>I have a history background (Ph.D. in American history from Emory University), and other than English, I doubt there&rsquo;s any field where you write more, so I&rsquo;ve spent a lot of time writing.</p>
<p>The dialogue in the book comes from being involved in politics for 29 years. It&rsquo;s not like I&rsquo;m writing Perry Mason. I&rsquo;ve been in those campaign meetings and know what really goes on. I&rsquo;ve done what the book is describing, so maybe if I&rsquo;d tried to do a detective novel, I couldn&rsquo;t have written as well.</p>
<p><em>When did you begin the book?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Ralph:</strong><span> </span>Well, I outlined the book and wrote the first chapter and created the major characters in 1976. I sat down and wrote the first chapter in this book just as it is 32 years ago. Not the words, but the exact scenes.</p>
<p><em>How old were you at the time?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Ralph:</strong><span> </span>I wrote it, then looked at it and thought, &ldquo;Wait a minute. I&rsquo;m 15 years old! I don&rsquo;t know what I&rsquo;m talking about.&rdquo; I had never even worked on a campaign, so how could I write a book about a guy running for President of the United States?</p>
<p>I got sucked into the 1976 Presidential campaign. You had Eugene McCarthy running as an independent, Carter as a centrist Democrat, and Gerald Ford. I thought what if McCarthy, who had been a phenomenon when he ran in 1968 and almost defeated Johnson, was like a Bobby Kennedy or Barack Obama? What if he really caught fire and was charismatic? By then McCarthy was at the end of the career, so that&rsquo;s where it came from.</p>
<p>That&rsquo;s what I imagined at that time.</p>
<p><em>This is eerily similar to today&rsquo;s news and candidates, but none of them were on the national scene at that time, especially Senator Obama.</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Ralph:<span> </span></strong>That&rsquo;s true, but an Obama-type exists in every election. Remember there was Gary Hart in 1984. Reagan was a charismatic politician who caught national attention.<span> </span>So did Carter in 1976.<span> </span>Different people catch fire and they have charisma and capture people. It&rsquo;s like Robert Redford in &ldquo;The Candidate.&rdquo;</p>
<p>I set it aside and kept meaning to go back to it. When [Ross] Perot ran [in 1992 and 1996], I thought, &ldquo;Man, I should have written that!&rdquo;</p>
<p>I was really afraid when Perot ran, frankly, that someone else would do it. I kept waiting for someone else to write this book, but nobody did. I was going to write it in 2000, but I got involved in the Bush campaign, so I didn&rsquo;t want to write a book about an independent when I was trying to elect a Republican president, so I never could get around to it.</p>
<p>Finally, in 2006, Rick Christian, who&rsquo;s my literary agent, asked, &ldquo;Have you ever thought about doing a political thriller?&rdquo; I said, &ldquo;No, but I&rsquo;ve got one,&rdquo; and he said, &ldquo;Well, what it is?&rdquo;</p>
<p>I told him, and he said, &ldquo;Start writing. That&rsquo;s a great story.&rdquo;</p>
<p>I actually started writing in the fall of 2006. When I say I started writing when I was 15, I mean the main characters: Long, Salmon Stanley, Mike Kaplan, and all those guys, the ones in the center of the story.</p>
<p><em>What was it about elections that captivated you at the age of 15?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Ralph:</strong><span> </span>I was odd. I think the beginning was in 1972 when I was 11 years old. Both national conventions came to Miami, which is where I was then living. That&rsquo;s very unusual today. It wasn&rsquo;t that unusual back then because there were only so many cities that could host an event that size. They were in Chicago or New York or St. Louis. Nobody went to the South back then because you didn&rsquo;t have air conditioning and there wasn&rsquo;t a lot of population.</p>
<p>Today it&rsquo;s unusual for both conventions to go to one city. The whole city was swept up and the networks were broadcasting 24 hour coverage (this was before CNN). I had friends who were volunteering in the campaigns, and I just got fascinated by it. The Vietnam War was still going on, and you had the hippies and the yippies.</p>
<p>It was the first year that 18-year-olds could vote, and so it was an exciting time. I really watched almost gavel-to-gavel coverage, and that was fascinating to me. Then I read &ldquo;Advise and Consent&rdquo; by Allen Drury, a celebrated political novel, and I thought it was great that someone was writing about politics in that way.</p>
<p>You notice that I never name the president in &ldquo;Dark Horse.&rdquo; That&rsquo;s from &ldquo;Advise and Consent.&rdquo; He never gave the president a name.<span> </span>I thought that was clever.</p>
<p>Every time I&rsquo;ve watched a movie, like &ldquo;An American President,&rdquo; with Michael Douglas and Annette Bening, I wish they hadn&rsquo;t named the president. If you&rsquo;ve ever worked in a White House, you know you never call him by his name. It&rsquo;s &ldquo;POTUS&rdquo; (President of the United States) or &ldquo;Mr. President.&rdquo;</p>
<p>That&rsquo;s why I did that. I never call him by his name. I thought that it reflected the mystery of the office and the sense of standing apart for the person who holds it.<span> </span></p>
<p>That&rsquo;s how it all started.<span> </span>Then I saw the Gore Vidal play &ldquo;The Best Man,&rdquo; that was made into a movie starring Henry Fonda. There&rsquo;s one scene in that film where they&rsquo;re in a helicopter and going through delegates. (Of course, you&rsquo;d never do it that way today because it&rsquo;s decided before you get to the convention.) They&rsquo;re going through names and asking what each one wants: this one wants to be an ambassador. &ldquo;Where?&rdquo; &ldquo;Belgium.&rdquo; &ldquo;Fine, just don&rsquo;t put it in writing.&rdquo;</p>
<p>I thought it would be really fun if you could write something like that. So I think my book is kind of &ldquo;Primary Colors&rdquo; combined with Allen Drury and John Grisham. Those were the inspirations.</p>
<p>It&rsquo;s a cliffhanger/thriller with some humor. There are a lot of funny things that happen during campaigns. They&rsquo;re not necessarily funny at the time, but they are later.</p>
<p>People do some really stupid things, and that kind of stuff is in my book. When David Petty gets caught saying a vulgarity to someone by the Quad City Times reporter who has a cell phone camera, that is straight out of real campaigns. Boom mikes were overhead when Bush said something to Dick Cheney at a Labor Day rally in 2000. This is not what you want you at the launch of your campaign. You&rsquo;re sitting here and you&rsquo;re spending hundreds of millions of dollars, and are with these really smart people at the pinnacle of your career, and someone says something that gets picked up by a mike. When that happens, you lose three days!<span> </span>That&rsquo;s the zaniness of a campaign.</p>
<p><em>There are a lot of expectations placed upon those who would be President. Which are realistic and which aren&rsquo;t?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Ralph:</strong><span> </span>Let me put it this way. No one&rsquo;s ever going to put a taping system in the Oval Office. The truth is that the President is human and says things that we all would say. But he usually says them only in intimate settings with people he&rsquo;s hoping won&rsquo;t betray his confidence.</p>
<p>When I was writing, I definitely wanted the President to be a little unapproachable to people. Not totally, because I put a scene in there where he and his vice president are having lunch and there was a little bit of locker room talk. But the book isn&rsquo;t about the President. If I were to do another one with Long as President, I would do much more of that. I&rsquo;d show what goes on in those private meetings with his staff.</p>
<p>In a well-run White House, there are only 4 or 5 aides with walk-in privileges. There&rsquo;s a senior adviser, press secretary if they demand it, chief of staff, national security adviser, and the vice president. That&rsquo;s it. There aren&rsquo;t a lot of people with access to him. You&rsquo;d be amazed how many people work in the White House and only see him when he&rsquo;s walking to the helicopter on Friday afternoon to go to Camp David.</p>
<p>You can&rsquo;t have the leader of the free world talking to people over a muffin tray. If he has something to say, even if it&rsquo;s to a cabinet secretary, he&rsquo;ll say it through the chief of staff. The chief of staff will pick up the phone and say, &ldquo;Hey, you need to do this.&rdquo; That way the President has deniability. If someone were to ask, &ldquo;Did the President ask you to do this?&rdquo; you could answer &ldquo;no.&rdquo;</p>
<p><em>Did you watch &ldquo;The West Wing?&rdquo; If so, what did you think of it?</em></p>
<p><strong>Ralph:</strong><span> </span>I did, and my main argument with it was that in my experience, you would not go into a meeting with the President and thrash things out like that. It&rsquo;s not a PhD class. The philosophical arguments didn&rsquo;t take place there. There was some good writing, and a very strong cast with outstanding acting.<span> </span>But the other unrealistic thing is that the drama was really elevated. Mostly, it&rsquo;s just not that dramatic.<span> </span>But, hey, it was a television show.</p>
<p><em>What has been the reaction of people you worked with to the book? Has the President read it?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Ralph:</strong><span> </span>I don&rsquo;t know. I made sure that people knew I was writing it, but I don&rsquo;t think there was any worry that I&rsquo;d say or do anything that was problematic or betrayed a confidence.<span> </span>Everybody on the Bush political team has been very supportive, and of course Karl [Rove, former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush] blurbed it. I don&rsquo;t think the President has read it. He&rsquo;s a busy guy. I am going to send one to him and to Laura Bush.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p><em>What about people who will read that book and see themselves in it? Any reaction from them?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p><strong>Ralph:<span> </span></strong>I&rsquo;ve had 4 or 5 people call me and tell me, &ldquo;I know I&rsquo;m Andy Stanton.&rdquo; They all think it&rsquo;s them, which I think is funny. It&rsquo;s very revealing of the egos of people reading themselves into it.<span> </span>But I like that aspect of it, that many people see themselves in these characters.<span> </span></p>
<p>Actually, Andy Stanton is similar to a few people. He could be Rick Warren, if Rick Warren were more political. He could be Andy Stanley if he was more political, but Andy [Stanley] is not. I really didn&rsquo;t mean the names to be that similar. I took the name Stanton from Jack Stanton, who is the Bill Clinton character in &ldquo;Primary Colors.&rdquo; I wanted a major character to be Stanton.</p>
<p>In general, the reactions have been very positive because I think everybody who&rsquo;s in the game knows that I didn&rsquo;t take a real person and just give them a fictional name. There&rsquo;s nobody in this book that is an actual person, so nobody feels like I used the book to even up any scores.</p>
<p>Some people have asked me if Marvin Meyers is Bob Novak. [Political commentator, journalist] He&rsquo;s not, but he could be.</p>
<p><em>In a recent survey by the Barna Group, the consensus of the people they surveyed was that Christians are &ldquo;too political.&rdquo; What&rsquo;s your response to that?</em></p>
<p><em></em></p>
<p>Ralph:<strong> <span> </span></strong>There have been a number of books written about that. I think as long as Christians are involved in political activity, there will be books like that. Christians still aren&rsquo;t disengaging in politics, and the reason why they&rsquo;re not is because they&rsquo;re Americans. We sometimes forget that.</p>
<p>Yes, we are citizens of a Kingdom yet to come, but while we&rsquo;re here, we&rsquo;re citizens of the greatest nation here on earth, and Americans like a good political campaign.<span> </span>Whereas other nations blow off steam with coups and revolutions, we tend to do it in the rough and tumble of a campaign. They may pretend they don&rsquo;t, but the truth is they do. There&rsquo;s a reason people watch Fox News and listen to talk radio endlessly. It&rsquo;s fun. We like being free and having our little tussles. It&rsquo;s part of being an American. You don&rsquo;t divorce yourself from that when you come to Christ.</p>
<p>As long as there is a country where people are free and can organize and say, &ldquo;I want this,&rdquo; Christians are going to do it, and I say &ldquo;Good,&rdquo; because they&rsquo;re virtually not flying to Washington on a Gulfstream looking for a tax break.<span> </span>They are trying to give something to government, not take something from government.<span> </span>The involvement of people of faith---on the left and the right---motivated by a sense of moral values and passion is part of what is right with our politics, not what is wrong with our politics.</p>
<p>What are they demanding? What are they looking for? They&rsquo;re asking that the unborn be protected.<span> </span>They&rsquo;re asking that the elderly not have the plug pulled on them. They&rsquo;re asking that marriage be honored and respected, and they&rsquo;re demanding that the most successful institution ever conceived, namely the intact loving family, be strengthened. And we want them to go away? Our message to them is &ldquo;Shut up?&rdquo;<span> </span>I don&rsquo;t think that is wise.<span> </span>And not just for people of faith.<span> </span>I want everyone to raise their voice and join the conversation of democracy.<span> </span></p>
<p>And frankly, to argue that the evangelical world is too political is nonsense.<span> </span>I attend Perimeter Church on the north side of Atlanta, which probably has 6,000 members or more. There are probably 163 ministries in that church. We&rsquo;ve got short- and long-term missions trips going on, one-on-one discipleship, etc. You can&rsquo;t open the church bulletin without seeing ministries for people recovering from alcoholism, people recovering from divorce, prostitution, sexual addiction, etc.</p>
<p>There are all kinds of people loving people and changing their lives for good. And once every four years we raise our heads and say, &ldquo;You ought to get out and vote,&rdquo; and people are saying we&rsquo;re too political?</p>
<p>The amount of political involvement in the evangelical world relative to the ocean of compassion and love and mercy that&rsquo;s been poured out on the human race fits in a thimble.</p>
<p>David Kuo is a friend of mine, and I love him in Christ.<span> </span>When David was writing his book about the spiritual temptation of politics, he called me up and asked what I would think about Christians taking a fast from politics. I said, &ldquo;David, my father served on an aircraft carrier in Vietnam. He had friends who were shot down and kept in the Hanoi Hilton with John McCain. Their bones were snapped. They were beaten almost to the point of death. I don&rsquo;t think I can give up a right that they were tortured to protect and that other people died to preserve.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Honestly, I don&rsquo;t see anything in Scripture that argues that people of faith should withdraw from the civic arena.<span> </span>I see the opposite.<span> </span>Paul appealed his case all the way to Caesar.<span> </span>He asserted his rights as a Roman citizen. Having said that, politics is not the solution to what ails humankind.<span> </span>Jesus said, &ldquo;My kingdom is not of this world,&rdquo; so if someone claims that if we elect the right guy, he&rsquo;ll usher in the Kingdom,&rdquo; that&rsquo;s just false.<span> </span>There is no political savior, and some who heard Christ&rsquo;s message missed it because they were looking for a political answer rather than a spiritual solution.<span> </span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content></entry><entry><title>Interview with Producer Ralph Winter (X-Men, Fantastic Four, House)</title><id>http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/3/interview-with-producer-ralph-winter-x-men-fantastic-four-ho.html</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.christiannation.com/movie-news/2008/11/3/interview-with-producer-ralph-winter-x-men-fantastic-four-ho.html"/><author><name>CN</name></author><published>2008-11-03T20:01:42Z</published><updated>2008-11-03T20:01:42Z</updated><content type="html" xml:lang="en-US"><![CDATA[<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span class="full-image-float-right ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://www.christiannation.com/storage/Ralph_WinterSM.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1225742562984" alt="" /></span></span>Ralph Winter has produced a series of Hollywood mega-blockbusters, including the "X-Men" films, "Fantastic Four" series, "The Planet of the Apes," and "Star Trek III, IV, V and VI." He has also been involved in the production of some horror/suspense films based on books by Christian authors Frank Peretti and Ted Dekker (<a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1672">Thr3e</a>, <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1255">The Visitation</a>, and most recently, <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2534">House</a>).</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">A member of the Directors' Guild of America and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, he speaks to groups around the country about faith and filmmaking. Married to wife Judy for more than 30 years, Ralph makes his home in Southern California while not on location in places like British Columbia, Australia, Poland, or Visalia, California.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2534">House</a> is your next project coming out. You were executive producer on that project. How much involvement does that mean on your part?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>Part of what it does is bring credibility when we're trying to find cast and directors. So I bring the credibility of someone who has mainstream relationships. It's also because of that that we get a 3-picture output deal with Lionsgate. Lionsgate makes the deal because they know that I'm involved in the making of the movie.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It's involvement in the approval of the scrip and the director. I'm also involved with Joe (Goodman) and <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/newsdesk_info.php?newsdesk_id=342">Bobby (Neutz)</a>, the producers, on the casting of the movie. That affects how it's going to fit for our international sales and how that will work.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Physically, I wasn't there in Poland during the photography of the movie. I think I was working on "The Fantastic Four" in a different part of the world. So you can't always be physically be on the set every day on the picture. But there's a tremendous amount of work that goes into preparing the movie, then the post-production of the movie, and the marketing and distribution of the movie.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">In some ways, it's the Godfather role. In some ways, it's more active. It depends on the stage of the movie-making. When I was working at Fox, I was able to obtain a cutting room very cheaply and allow post-production to happen just down the hall from me so that I could check in on that process and help keep it going for a good price.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">At other times, Joe had to be the guy on set in Poland. Like any other movie, you try to get it made in pre-production in terms of the script and knowing what you want for the casting and direction.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">How would you describe the market or audience this film is made for? The artwork looks like it's geared more toward a secular audience.</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>It is. Our core audience is book readers of Ted Dekker and Frank Peretti. Both of those guys write darker material, both of them are not surprised that we have an R-rated movie. It's dark. It's the battle of good and evil, and it's not surprising to them. It's what they intended. They're not movie-makers, but they understand that's what's out there.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Hopefully, we're doing it with a worldview that will come through. We're doing it without any unnecessary violence; no sex or horrible language that we know would offend their core audience. But we're also trying to broaden that out to a secular audience that enjoys scary movies. There are a lot of young kids that enjoy that, so we're sorry that they can't go see it, but the movie is intense. It's rated R, but it might be the mildest R in the history of entertainment. But it is rated R. I get it.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We went through a lot of fiery hoops to try to fix that for the parents who are on the MPAA, but they just didn't buy it. Fine. The materials and art are intense, and that probably will prevent some people from coming and keep Christian some audiences away from the movie. That's OK with us, because that's the way it is.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We see the Christian audience as not all one monolithic group that likes everything. There are certainly Christians that aren't attracted by Fireproof, and that's OK. I think there's a segment that is interested in the more intense, more scary movie, on-the-edge-of-your-seat, have a scare or fright and jump. There's an audience that likes that type of film, and there's an audience that doesn't like that.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We're hoping there's an audience that will respond and allows us to continue making more movies of Ted Dekker and Frank Peretti books.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Your observation that the Christian audience is not a monolithic one is something every filmmaker who is a Christian should realize. How can that kind of conversation be encouraged?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>It's an education. It's a journey. It's funny to me that we're still having conversations about whether Christians go see R-rated movies. R-rated movies are successful because Christians go. From "Braveheart" to the most successful R-rated film of all times, <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1652">The Passion of the Christ</a>, Christians are at the front of those lines.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It's a bit of a double standard. I think it's an education process. In some ways, when I travel and speak, I'm surprised that people still want to ask that question, but they do, and it's all right. It's about being discerning about which R-rated movies am I going to go to, and why? And there are plenty of resources, like ChristianCinema.com and other sites that offer reviews about what the movie is about, as well as the intentions of the filmmakers.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Some people can see some of the R-rated films and some can't. My wife can't see some of the R-rated movies that I'll go see because they give her nightmares. She's too visual and they make her think about things she shouldn't think about.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I think to make a blanket statement that you can't go see any R-rated movies because there's no value in them is an extreme position. And to say you can't go see R-rated movies because you're a Christian is silly.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">What are some of your current projects?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>I'm finishing "Wolverine" for Fox, which comes out May 1, 2009. We finished shooting that in Sydney this past summer and are in post-production now, so we're excited about that.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I'm talking with <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=49_54">Bobby and Kevin Downes</a> about a movie based on a Karen Kingsbury novel. I'm continuing to develop "The Screwtape Letters," which is at Walden Media. I'm working on "Purpose-Driven Life," which is a narrative and a documentary at Fox Searchlight.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">There are a couple of other movies. One is a thriller called "The Surrogate," for Fox Atomic, and another is a project for "Big Fox" (Twentieth Century Fox) called "Man and Wife." Those are probably the most active projects that are out there.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We're also looking at putting together a package on "Same Kind of Different as Me," which is a book that has been read a lot in the Christian community. I'm also talking to Bruce Wilkinson about "Prayer of Jabez." We have a screenplay, so we're trying to get that made into a movie.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">So there are a lot of things; some are based on Christian books, some are straight ahead entertainment. We're out there packaging those things and trying to put them together.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Hugh Jackman said he didn't want to do "Wolverine" without you. Why do you think he said that?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We did three pictures together, and he made that personal appeal to me to come down and help make the picture. He said he didn't want to do it without me, and that's a kind gesture. In reality, he probably could make the movie with anybody. He's a big enough star.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">But I think in his first role as producer he wanted someone that he trusted and someone who had delivered for him before. I think he wanted someone who would take care of him on the set. I take it at face value that what he said was true. It's trying to take care of people and treat them with respect. I tell them the truth with no candy coating.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We've seen some success, and been through some hard times together. I think Hugh and I have a good relationship and he wanted me to help him guide this one along, and I was happy to do it.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">You have mentored a lot of younger producers, bringing them along on projects. Why do you do that?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>Part of it is that you partner with all sorts of people. Certainly with Bobby and Kevin, they've got great source materials and demonstrated their ability on smaller movies like "The Visitation." They are the ones that came back to me to see if I were interested in the Karen Kingsbury novel.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It's about finding people that you want to partner with, and a little bit of it is giving back, and a little is staying connected to a younger element in the business. It's also finding people that have good instincts, good sensibilities, good material, and just don't have the experience in getting some of this done. That's a perfect balance where I can provide the experience and maybe a little bit of clout. It helps them not fall into a pothole on the road and get their project made at the level they want to get it made.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">What are the major responsibilities of a producer?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>Someone has to be the champion for the project from beginning to end, and that's what the producer has to do. The Academy honors the producer with the Oscar for "Best Picture." Someone has to find the story, find the financing, find the distributor, develop the story, find the director, cast it, and develop all the infrastructure to make the movie.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The producer has to have the sensibilities about what is commercial in the marketplace and know what the audience wants to see, and then drive that across the finish line. Some person, or persons, or group of persons, or team, needs to be that champion, that cheerleader, that entity that makes it happen. That's what a producer does.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Sometimes you have to change the actual story to make it more commercial, but most producers have the kind of integrity that says, "I want to do that without destroying the core material."</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">In the X-Men movies, the director, along with the studio, and us as producers, didn't want to put our characters in yellow spandex suits. That's what the comic book fans wanted, and that's what the core material was.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">But in making a commercial movie, you can't do that. It just looks silly. So we made those kinds of changes, which some people didn't agree with us about before the movie came out. But after the movie came out, you didn't hear that kind of dialogue at all, so I think we made the right kind of changes.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">You've got to do that in a way that makes it commercial. It's a different art form than a comic book or a book. But it's always a concern. I think "Harry Potter" fans are pretty happy with the adaptations. <a href="http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1382">Narnia</a> fans may or may not be happy with the adaptations.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">You're just finishing a working relationship with Fox. What are some things you learned while working with the studio that are invaluable to the rest of your career?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>Certainly one of the things I've learned during my 10 years at Fox is an even tighter skill of fiscal responsibility. In that environment, they are very good at making the most out of a dollar. I think I knew that before from working at one of the other studios, but I've learned it to a finer degree. I hope to continue to take that kind of fiscal discipline on to other projects I do.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I think I take away as well an appreciation for how big movies get made and where the money should be spent. I have a greater appreciation for the marketing and distribution of these big movies. I realize that's so much larger a proportion of how the movie gets made than the actual shooting of a movie, and I have a greater appreciation for that.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Overall, I've had a deepening of the respect that it takes and the working relationships it takes with everybody to get a movie made. There are just so many moving parts. You can't take people for granted, and when people come through for you in the end, it's because you built a relationship and you treat people fairly, and they respond in kind.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">You were a history major in college, and now find yourself a sought-after Hollywood producer. What was the process from one to the other?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>It was really God's plan, not mine. I didn't attend film school, don't have any relatives in the business, and never thought about it. Out of school, I got a job in a department store and ended up writing, directing and producing 50 industrial videos.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">They were on topics like teaching employees how to read customers, how to ring the register, how to manage employee benefits, how to prevent theft, etc. That was sort of inadvertently my film school. I was learning how to tell stories, how to do it for an audience that demanded some kind of measurement and response. I actually did well at it.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">From there, I got a job at Paramount Pictures in post-production. At that time, there was a new technology in video, and I did post-production on all their television shows (which included Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, Taxi, and Mork and Mindy). I also learned film and wound up being more of an expert on film in post-production.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">After about 3 or 4 years, I left and went out as an associate producer on "Stark Trek III" in 1982. I've been able to leverage relationships and jobs and grow as a producer ever since.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Your career is very interesting because you've been involved in some huge projects, but are still pursuing smaller pictures and projects as well. </em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>I'm interested in stories. I want to make movies that I want to see, and all those projects I mentioned before are projects that I want to see make it to the screen, and that are interesting to me. It's not that I'm not interested in the bigger projects. I think if I can find and develop them that would be great. But particularly, I like to flex the more creative muscles about producing movies.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I look at the marketplace and say, "What isn't being made? What isn't out there that should be out there?" and that draws me to some of those stories.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">You once wrote about how some of the projects you did were difficult for your family when your kids were younger. How has that dynamic changed in the last few years?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>My wife travels more with me now as other family responsibilities allow. As I look back, I think if I had pushed harder to take my kids with me on location when they were younger, I might have avoided some of that pain. There's no question this business requires a larger time commitment, and the feature film world requires that you be on location a lot.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">You have to find creative ways of making it work for the family. It's not impossible, but there are choices. Choices about how successful you want to be, what does success mean, how much you travel, what projects you take, etc. Some of those are high-class problems and it's nice to have a choice. Some people don't have a choice.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It gets down to defining what does success look like emotionally, financially, spiritually, intellectually. What is it that stimulates you to say, "Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy I did this project. That's great. I'm happy I made this amount of money. This is terrific."</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It's about defining those things. It's a journey to figure that stuff out.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Who are moviemakers that really succeed at telling good stories and creating good productions you would encourage other filmmakers to study?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>We might be better off having that conversation when we see what comes out for Oscar consideration. There are plenty of thoughtful filmmakers. Again, the audience is not monolithic.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">That being said, I like to go see Jerry Bruckheimer movies at times because it's pure entertainment and a two-hour escape. Steven Spielberg is someone you want to watch and see all the kinds of movies he makes, what he's interested in, and what he does, because he's probably one of the greatest living filmmakers of our time.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I'm encouraged by a lot of the quality you see on television. My wife is a fan of all of these police procedural shows, and some of those are pretty good. They're pretty interesting, quality shows. I'm recording, but haven't seen yet, "Entourage," "Mad Men," and "True Blood." Apparently there's some good writing on those shows.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I'm probably not a fan of "High School Musical," but then, I'm not a 14-year-old female. But Kenny Ortega (director) is a good guy and I'm glad he's finding some success in making these movies for Disney. I made a movie with him about 15 years ago called "Hocus Pocus," and he's a thoughtful guy. He's a lot about dance, so it's perfect what he's doing. He's working in his strong point, and it is creating a fun story with song and dance.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">This is an example of the monolithic thing - you can't look for great meaning in every movie that comes out because films are made for all kinds of different reasons. We're trying to tell a story with "House," but Kenny is just trying to have that enthusiastic romp with high schoolers dancing, and he's hitting a niche that no one else is doing. So it's great.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">What do you think of the trend to write study guides and try to dig deep meaning out of every new and popular film that is released in theaters?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>As filmmakers, sometimes we do public discussions and questions, and people will come up and tell us about these different meanings in the movie, and we'll say, "What are you talking about? That wasn't our intention at all, and we weren't trying to say that."</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Movies are popular, and people are trying to dissect them and read into a lot of things, and while some of that is healthy, some of it is overblown. Our whole fascination with the movie business is overblown. Why are we tracking box scores like a baseball game? Why do we care on Monday morning what the box office scores were? Outside of people like us who work in the business, what does it matter? It's kind of silly.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I think churches are pretty aware of what's happening, and I don't think they're going to let themselves became a marketing platform for the studios to get their films out to the Christian audience. Everyone wants to take advantage of the audience that came out to see "The Passion of the Christ," and that wasn't a business model, it was a one-off.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">That happened to be an extraordinary picture about an extraordinary time and an extraordinary subject. It was a slice of 12 - 18 hours in Jesus' life. That's not a business model. You can't go out and make a sequel to The Passion and be just as successful. It's sort of disturbing to see that people want to do that stuff.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I think the church is smart enough to look at things and say, "Come on. I don't want to promote a movie from the pulpit every month just because I get a screener."</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I think there are some movies that are worthwhile and would be good for some audiences because we are a culture that is interested in movies. But that also may be a little more regional, more about people on the West Coast than people in Oklahoma City. They may not be as "movie mad" as we are.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">What sort of advice would you give to a younger generation of filmmakers?</em></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Ralph</strong>:<span style="mso-tab-count: 2"> </span>If you want to be a producer, it's about controlling the story and controlling the material. I wish I'd known that earlier. I think if you're really serious about this and want to produce the movie, you have to control the material.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">You've got to find the material, figure out how you can get it to the screen in a unique way that no one else can, and get it to the screen in a way that the audience will want to see it. It takes commercial instinct, but it's really about controlling the material.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It's also about integrity, what our journey is, how to get close to Christ, and what does it mean to follow him. What does it mean to be in community with other believers and build relationships? It's about character building. That's what the Christian life is about. It's never about the actual products we make; it's about the people we're becoming.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">You won't take those projects with you when you leave; it's your character. Those are the driving forces to me. They're the things important to me right now, and I wish they had been important to me all of my life. It's always a struggle to keep the compass pointed to True North.</p>
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